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Old 11-26-2009, 02:13 AM   #16
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I guess my top 2 would be Robinson and Louis.
Any reason why those two get preference over other fighters throughout history?
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Old 11-26-2009, 02:16 AM   #17
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He doesn't really throw combination's as much as he flurries to be honest, two entirely different things. I wouldn't rank him very high in terms of combination punching...power and speed is a different kettle of fish, though.
Very acute observation, A Stand corrected. Agree with you.
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He doesn't really throw combination's as much as he flurries to be honest, two entirely different things. I wouldn't rank him very high in terms of combination punching...power and speed is a different kettle of fish, though.
So how would you explain three, four uppercuts, lifting up the head of an opponent, and then a left hook knocking them out?

Or maybe two measuring left hooks and a final pulverising right?

There's always six hooks, three off each hand, to the body in quick succession.

These are typical combinations you'll see Robinson using on any highlight. He was, if not the best, one of them.

The most composed puncher I've ever seen, at his best, was Wilfredo Gomez - but then his opposition in those days didn't hit back hard enough to worry him, so he could afford to show off.

Willie Pep was very good at grouping shots together. Sometimes he'd pot shot from strange angles, but other times he'd flurry - with intent - and do damage.

Ike Williams scored the single most ferocious knockdown I've ever seen on film, and that was against Jose Gatica. Right uppercut, two left hooks and a right hand that would have knocked out near enough any lightweight.

Williams, Robinson and Louis are my classic choices. Although I'm sure I'd also pick Henry Armstrong had I access to his featherweight footage when he was knocking out everyone.
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Old 11-26-2009, 02:21 AM   #19
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Any reason why those two get preference over other fighters throughout history?
Both had literally everything, from traping skills to handspeed, both proved it over a prolonged period against a high level of opposition.
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Old 11-26-2009, 02:30 AM   #20
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So how would you explain three, four uppercuts, lifting up the head of an opponent, and then a left hook knocking them out?

Or maybe two measuring left hooks and a final pulverising right?

There's always six hooks, three off each hand, to the body in quick succession.

These are typical combinations you'll see Robinson using on any highlight. He was, if not the best, one of them.

The most composed puncher I've ever seen, at his best, was Wilfredo Gomez - but then his opposition in those days didn't hit back hard enough to worry him, so he could afford to show off.

Willie Pep was very good at grouping shots together. Sometimes he'd pot shot from strange angles, but other times he'd flurry - with intent - and do damage.

Ike Williams scored the single most ferocious knockdown I've ever seen on film, and that was against Jose Gatica. Right uppercut, two left hooks and a right hand that would have knocked out near enough any lightweight.

Williams, Robinson and Louis are my classic choices. Although I'm sure I'd also pick Henry Armstrong had I access to his featherweight footage when he was knocking out everyone.
Like I said, Robinson deserves to mentioned among the very best combination punchers of all time...but there are other arguments. All of your choices are classic choices.
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Old 11-26-2009, 02:31 AM   #21
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Both had literally everything, from traping skills to handspeed, both proved it over a prolonged period against a high level of opposition.
Louis really impresses me when he puts punches together, certainly...as does Robinson. How about more modern examples? The whole thread has been dominated by you old timers, who in the last 40 years can measure up to the likes of Robinson and Louis...in your judgment.
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Old 11-26-2009, 02:40 AM   #22
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Louis really impresses me when he puts punches together, certainly...as does Robinson. How about more modern examples? The whole thread has been dominated by you old timers, who in the last 40 years can measure up to the likes of Robinson and Louis...in your judgment.

Tyson. Used planes of movement you don't normally see from a fighter. Very impressive combination puncher, partly for that reason, and partly for the speed and power of course.
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Louis really impresses me when he puts punches together, certainly...as does Robinson. How about more modern examples? The whole thread has been dominated by you old timers, who in the last 40 years can measure up to the likes of Robinson and Louis...in your judgment.
Carlos Ortiz from the '60s (check-out his youtube against Len Matthews) and Meldrick Taylor.
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Old 11-26-2009, 03:38 AM   #24
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I guess my top 2 would be Robinson and Louis.
I was wondering how long it takes until somebody mentions Louis. Louis for hws. Ike Williams and Robinson for the lighter weightclasses.
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Old 11-26-2009, 04:51 AM   #25
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Holyfield deserves a mention.
In his prime he'd throw combinations on top of combinations, all sharp and accurate punches.
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Old 11-26-2009, 04:54 AM   #26
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And Marvin Hagler too.
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Old 11-26-2009, 05:11 AM   #27
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Not to sure about that. I listed him because he's certainly up there, but nothing I've seen on film would make him an overwhelming favorite...in fact, I consider Julio Cesar Chavez the greatest combination puncher to body and head of all time. Care to elaborate as to why you make a distant first?
Duran was a better head-body combo puncher than Chavez. This is particularly evident in his lightweight 70s days more than in his 80s higher weight period.
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Old 11-26-2009, 05:13 AM   #28
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Pernell Whitaker was a great combination puncher. His combos were thrown with Meldrick Taylor like speed, but were more accurate and varied. They may not have had the power of a Tyson combination, but were very effective.
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Old 11-26-2009, 06:36 AM   #29
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Duran and Louis must be up there
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Old 11-26-2009, 06:37 AM   #30
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Ruben Olivares for combos of hooks, uppercuts, overhands, all with perfect technique for generating power at the optimal moment. I've got some footage and it's just brilliant
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