Wow...this is embarrassing.

[wordisbond]

If you have an hour to do bicep curls, you have time to get in a complete workout in the same timeframe.

[doomer36]

Some good exercises here for shoulder re-hab

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4Wo095zPnc&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

[IntentionalButt]

Originally Posted by SouthpawSlayer

join a boxing gym man

Belonged to one for years and didn't use it nearly enough to justify the astronomical fees. Thinking about shopping around and finding a new one for the new year. You'd think a town as rich in history in this sport would have a slew of options...not the case.

[joakim]

In an attempt to narrow down where my fuck-up may have occurred (perfectly willing to accept that there was a fuck-up, just don't need to hear it from a judgmental little tart!) - have you guys heard of rotator cuff strains and/or bursitis being caused by doing simple bicep curls? Or by shadowboxing?

Since the biceps tendon goes into the shoulder and across a bunch of bursits it can cause rotator cuff injury. Also when you shadowbox you will use all the muscles that is rotator cuff muscles. This can cause overuse,impingment and bursitis. So I think she has a good point. Although she`s small I would reacon she has a full education. Size doesnt matter If she askes you how you shadowbox it is to know how the movement is. as a Physio I look at patients movingpattern even though I know how its executed. It helps to diagnose
Get rest and repair the injury and then start traning the rotator cuff.
Good luck

[IntentionalButt]

Originally Posted by joakim

In an attempt to narrow down where my fuck-up may have occurred (perfectly willing to accept that there was a fuck-up, just don't need to hear it from a judgmental little tart!) - have you guys heard of rotator cuff strains and/or bursitis being caused by doing simple bicep curls? Or by shadowboxing?

Since the biceps tendon goes into the shoulder and across a bunch of bursits it can cause rotator cuff injury. Also when you shadowbox you will use all the muscles that is rotator cuff muscles. This can cause overuse,impingment and bursitis. So I think she has a good point. Although she`s small I would reacon she has a full education. Size doesnt matter If she askes you how you shadowbox it is to know how the movement is. as a Physio I look at patients movingpattern even though I know how its executed. It helps to diagnose
Get rest and repair the injury and then start traning the rotator cuff.
Good luck

Thanks for your perspective. I know she was just doing her job, at the time it just stung...a little emasculating to have a girl tell you to review your training methods, you know?

[vibit]

Originally Posted by IntentionalButt

Thanks for your perspective. I know she was just doing her job, at the time it just stung...a little emasculating to have a girl tell you to review your training methods, you know?

Were you given a timetable as to when to expect things to get back to normal? I've met folks with shoulders problems. These guys have had them recurring so many times, I wonder if they just didn't allow enough recuperation time before they went back to their regular workout routines.

Another thing, if it stops hurting, does that mean that its absolutely healed or would you need to wait longer? I think these guys just went back to the gym as soon as the pain subsided, I wonder if they needed to wait just a little longer.

[doylexxx]

Why not exercise your body right?? The info is out there what u are doing is useless and silly with no gains and a high chance of injury cause you dont know what the hell your doing seriously

[IntentionalButt]

Originally Posted by vibit

Were you given a timetable as to when to expect things to get back to normal? I've met folks with shoulders problems. These guys have had them recurring so many times, I wonder if they just didn't allow enough recuperation time before they went back to their regular workout routines.

Another thing, if it stops hurting, does that mean that its absolutely healed or would you need to wait longer? I think these guys just went back to the gym as soon as the pain subsided, I wonder if they needed to wait just a little longer.

I'm supposed to withdraw from intensive activity until meeting with the physical therapist; first rehab appt isn't until the 21st. So I'm anticipating being out of the gym until at least next year...maybe not even in January.

[IntentionalButt]

Originally Posted by doylexxx

Why not exercise your body right?? The info is out there what u are doing is useless and silly with no gains and a high chance of injury cause you dont know what the hell your doing seriously

Yeah. Wake-up call, this.

That's my problem, too independent. Even back when I was a member of a boxing club, the trainers had to hunt me down and drag me in the ring for one-on-one time and to work the pads. Not because I didn't want to, just wasn't proactive in getting their attention. Not really shy even...just never interrupted them to beg for time like most others would (seemed like the obnoxious thing to do), just stayed off to the side doing my own thing until they noticed that this kid had been hanging around for hours and was turning blue working the heavybag and were like "Hey...okay, c'mere...". And way before that, when I had a personal trainer at the regular gym we just went through the motions using all the machines but I never asked questions, just mimicked everything he showed me and of course the complex and fast-paced routines (different every time...damn sheisters) didn't sink in. I don't know what my problem is. Hardwired to want to figure things out on my own. Probably not smart in the realm of fitness.

[IntentionalButt]

So, winding down my rehab now. Clearance to return to full gym activities expected next week (and registration at a nice cheap boxing club probably shortly thereafter).

My curl form was definitely off - elbows were jutting out and I was "substituting" with the wrong muscles.

In addition to the inflammation of my AC joint, the other main issue that the therapist identified that probably caused a lot of my problems is major tightness in three areas: my lats and pecs (both extremely sore to the touch when she jabbed a thumb into them or even massaged more than lightly with her fingers) and in my upper traps which she says I overuse to compensate a lot instead of squeezing my shoulderblades together (but most people do) and which she wants me to avoid using as much as possible moving forward.

I guess the bad news is that my posture (very pushed forward) and overall upper body tightness is worse than she's ever seen. A lot of tension carried up there. The good news is that my joint flexion (particularly in my elbows, which bend to even lower than a 180 degree angle when held out straight), coordination, and natural strength are all studly so doing the exercises to get this stuff fixed was a breeze.

What are some good specialized boxing training tips to keep the whole shoulder area nice and safe?

[wordisbond]

Originally Posted by vibit

why do mostly bicep curls? you have to try and balance it out. if you have time to work-out for 30 minutes, you should be able to do a lower-body exercise like squats and two upper-body exercises like bench press and bentover rows within the same amount of time.

Also stick with compound exercises, isolation movements like curls aren't functional anyway.

I agree. Strictly working out the biceps while neglecting your other muscles will result in injuries. I understand that the bicep is one of the main muscles that is exposed during the summer months, but you should also consider muscular stability. By focussing on your biceps, you can put an unnecessary amount of strain or your shoulders, or even your back, neck etc.

[wordisbond]

Originally Posted by IntentionalButt

So, winding down my rehab now. Clearance to return to full gym activities expected next week (and registration at a nice cheap boxing club probably shortly thereafter).

My curl form was definitely off - elbows were jutting out and I was "substituting" with the wrong muscles.

In addition to the inflammation of my AC joint, the other main issue that the therapist identified that probably caused a lot of my problems is major tightness in three areas: my lats and pecs (both extremely sore to the touch when she jabbed a thumb into them or even massaged more than lightly with her fingers) and in my upper traps which she says I overuse to compensate a lot instead of squeezing my shoulderblades together (but most people do) and which she wants me to avoid using as much as possible moving forward.

I guess the bad news is that my posture (very pushed forward) and overall upper body tightness is worse than she's ever seen. A lot of tension carried up there. The good news is that my joint flexion (particularly in my elbows, which bend to even lower than a 180 degree angle when held out straight), coordination, and natural strength are all studly so doing the exercises to get this stuff fixed was a breeze.

What are some good specialized boxing training tips to keep the whole shoulder area nice and safe?

Poor posture is also a sign that you are neglecting to work out your entire body. Once you are able to, try to work out all the muscles in the shoulder with light weights and more reps. Dumbell shoulder press, front db raise, lateral db raise, bent over db raise for rear delts, and upright rows will work all the muscles in the shoulder ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]). There are also exercises to work out the rotator cuff that you can easily find online. This should definitely improve your posture. Also, be mindful of your posture (try not to slouch) while you are working at your desk. Before I starting lifting weights, I had very poor posture, and was also hunching my back.

[IntentionalButt]

Originally Posted by wordisbond

Poor posture is also a sign that you are neglecting to work out your entire body. Once you are able to, try to work out all the muscles in the shoulder with light weights and more reps. Dumbell shoulder press, front db raise, lateral db raise, bent over db raise for rear delts, and upright rows will work all the muscles in the shoulder ([Only registered and activated users can see links. ]). There are also exercises to work out the rotator cuff that you can easily find online. This should definitely improve your posture. Also, be mindful of your posture (try not to slouch) while you are working at your desk. Before I starting lifting weights, I had very poor posture, and was also hunching my back.

Thanks.

Yeah, most of the sessions have been low-weight high-rep sets.

[doylexxx]

All the info for exercising your body right is freely available on the web personal instructors are not even needed these days LOL

[IntentionalButt]

Originally Posted by doylexxx

All the info for exercising your body right is freely available on the web personal instructors are not even needed these days LOL

Good, because they're all sleaze in my experience.