DLH vs. Kostya Tzsyu @ 140 peak to peak.

[WhataRock]

Originally Posted by MSTR

Kostya never struggled with Hurtardo for one. He got wreckless, before going on to dominate him and finish him early. Urkal was more because he was so physically strong, same with Phillips. Kostya had problems against these guys because he wouldn't fight smart and out box them and counter punch, but would rather try to out muscle them. Kostya was stronger then Oscar, and it wouldn't have been a problem. Oscar isn't a fighter in the same mould as these guys either.

Thats the thing with Hurtado and Urkal he was getting caught trying to cover the ground, because they were the taller fighter.
Pro Kostya didnt have consistent head movement like he did in the pros, in every fight he got caught by something silly.
It happened for all to see, its just Hurtado had no chin to hang with Tszyu and Urkal had no power to keep him off.

As I stated MSTR its the attributes of these fighters that gave KT trouble, but they didnt have it all and one thing or another prevented them from taking the advantage.

Oscar had it all speed, skill, a pretty good chin, power, the size and he was all round a polished fighter by then.
I dont think Kostya would have been all that much stronger than DLH, it would be marginal at best. KT never left 140 but DLH took on and beat some bigger and stronger fighters all the way to 154.

[Napoleon]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

Stoppage my ass. If he wins, it certainly wouldn't be like that.

Probably not.

But it was 11 votes for Oscar by decision and 7 by stoppage. For Tszyu it was 11 votes for decision and 6 for stoppage. I had to vote for stoppage.

[tays001]

Originally Posted by Napoleon

Probably not.

But it was 11 votes for Oscar by decision and 7 by stoppage. For Tszyu it was 11 votes for decision and 6 for stoppage. I had to vote for stoppage.

so the number are fixed

[pugilistspecialist]

DLH dominated 130-140 and really didnt struggle until he got to 147. Kostya was the man at 140 for a longtime but never fought as many great fighters as DLH. Also DLH dominated shorter fighter. He could counter outside throw his jab and turn left hooks to the head and body. KT was very good. Euro-style but great reflexes(people forget how he used to evade punches hands down) early on in his prime and a sledgehammer right hand. DLH has the faster hands, KT hits a lil harder, and DLH would dominate inside and out.Not in the same class.

[thesandman]

Originally Posted by MachoTime

If the bums Vince Phillips and Rickey Hatton were able to KO Tzu, imagine what Oscar would do to him. It wouldn't even be competitive.

That's like saying if a guy like Sturm can outbox ODLH, KT would murder him.

Fucking pointless.

[Robbi]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

I'd say Tszyu was more flat-footed for sure than Oscar. Oscar had very little head movement, so it was really his footwork that did him well in the defensive department. Also, Oscar's reach and jab could be a problem at long distance for Kostya. In the early rounds Kostya was one who liked to blast, but I think DLH's footwork, which I think you're selling short, and ability to keep the fight at a distance, as well as his own power, would do him well in keeping it on even terms early and I think he'd pick up and gain the advantage around mid fight. Also, his chin is better proven than Kostya's.

De La Hoya showed nice upperbody movement at 140lbs. He was very flexible from the waist upwards. And who can forget his ramrod jab against Gonzalez. I do agree, Tszyu doesn't have the same mobility around the ring as De La Hoya. A wide stance was something Tszyu always needed to feel comfortable for his throwing power punches. Its debatable that Tszyu could hit as hard as someone like Quartey, who dropped De La Hoya and had him wobbled on a few occassions. But De La Hoya showed a granite chin during the 9th round, when Quartey smacked him with a monster right hand.

De La Hoya throws better combinations than Tszyu, and I feel his jab is more consistent. I'd have to pick De La Hoya to win on points. Not too sure he'd have the power to get Tszyu outta there. We would need to be talking about someone with Trinidad or Hearns when it comes to knocking out Tszyu. Although thats not really a fair comparison, as they were stricly welterweight terrorists with their hands.

[MSTR]

Originally Posted by Robbi

De La Hoya showed nice upperbody movement at 140lbs. He was very flexible from the waist upwards. And who can forget his ramrod jab against Gonzalez. I do agree, Tszyu doesn't have the same mobility around the ring as De La Hoya. A wide stance was something Tszyu always needed to feel comfortable for his throwing power punches. Its debatable that Tszyu could hit as hard as someone like Quartey, who dropped De La Hoya and had him wobbled on a few occassions. But De La Hoya showed a granite chin during the 9th round, when Quartey smacked him with a monster right hand.

De La Hoya throws better combinations than Tszyu, and I feel his jab is more consistent. I'd have to pick De La Hoya to win on points. Not too sure he'd have the power to get Tszyu outta there. We would need to be talking about someone with Trinidad or Hearns when it comes to knocking out Tszyu. Although thats not really a fair comparison, as they were stricly welterweight terrorists with their hands.

Kostya's performance against Gonzalez was much more dominant. Kt definitely had more power then Quartey as well, who primarily lived off his jab.

[MSTR]

Originally Posted by WhataRock

Thats the thing with Hurtado and Urkal he was getting caught trying to cover the ground, because they were the taller fighter.
Pro Kostya didnt have consistent head movement like he did in the pros, in every fight he got caught by something silly.
It happened for all to see, its just Hurtado had no chin to hang with Tszyu and Urkal had no power to keep him off.

As I stated MSTR its the attributes of these fighters that gave KT trouble, but they didnt have it all and one thing or another prevented them from taking the advantage.

Oscar had it all speed, skill, a pretty good chin, power, the size and he was all round a polished fighter by then.
I dont think Kostya would have been all that much stronger than DLH, it would be marginal at best. KT never left 140 but DLH took on and beat some bigger and stronger fighters all the way to 154.

Kostya was a very polished technician though, I think you are under estimating him. Kostya was just as well rounded. Great power, good chin, well rounded, decent hand speed. De la Hoya was a great fighter, I just think style wise Kostya takes this out. Oscar leaning forward with that chin would have been target practice for the KT right hand. I can see both fighter landing there fair share of punches, just with KT being more accurate over the stretch.

[errsta]

Originally Posted by ESB Genius

Hard to say. You know what you're getting with Tszyu, so it depends how Oscar approaches the fight. At 130-135, DLH was a more of a puncher. 147-160 he was more of a boxer. At 140, he was pretty balanced.

If he fought the same way he beat MAGo (Miguel Angel Gonzalez) I think he takes Tszyu. He would have to mix it up, though. If he primarily boxes, he gets timed. If he primarily punches, I'm not sure Oscar lands the heavier shots, although he very well could.

I'm picking Oscar, but it's far from a sure thing either way.

[Mind Reader]

I think Kostya would win a close fight.

[CarltonBlues]

Oscar would whoop him and take him out late.

[cuchulain]

Originally Posted by Jack Presscot

If Oscar decided to wear high heels instead of Puma boxing shoes, he would be at a disadvantage.

You still got any of Oscar's old high hells 'kicking' around your place, Jack?

Do they still have enough left to excite your nose (and other things) ?

And where were you these past few days?

Missed you !

[ozziebattler]

Originally Posted by Jose FM

Whats the counter to a straight right?

A left hook... Who had the best left hook at 140 if not the entire biz during lets say '98?

DLH, specially at that weight class where DLH had speed?

Besides, DLH has an underrated defense, head movement, and specially chin. So the chances of landing flush are too freakish to actually happen.

Mayweather i would say has freakish defence not oscar...

I dont really know who would win but i do know that we wouldnt be seeing a ko..points victory for whoever wants it the most...

[WhataRock]

Originally Posted by MSTR

Kostya was a very polished technician though, I think you are under estimating him. Kostya was just as well rounded. Great power, good chin, well rounded, decent hand speed. De la Hoya was a great fighter, I just think style wise Kostya takes this out. Oscar leaning forward with that chin would have been target practice for the KT right hand. I can see both fighter landing there fair share of punches, just with KT being more accurate over the stretch.

As good as he was though his opposition cant hold a candle to De La Hoyas.

We KNOW Oscar can win big fights, against quality opposition and against varying styles.

I think its all speculation to think KT can handle a fighter like De La Hoya @ 140 based on his record. And I think its stretching it to think his tangible abilities were that good that it could trump anything that De la Hoya can do, especially since we have seen Oscar in action against such a high calibre of opp.

[Relentless]

kostya is overrated.