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Old 09-27-2007, 11:20 AM   #31
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Default Re: Has Jermain Taylor Been Tested as Pavlik Was Tested Against Miranda?

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I love how we make excuses for Miranda, that he was weight drained... haha.. truth is he lost to Abraham, was almost KO'd by Eastman, was down against Green, and KO'd by Pavlik.

Maybe it's that Miranda was a hype job who was never as good as everyone wanted him to be.
Exactly!!

As much as I like Miranda, and his Story, the guy is basic, and 1demensional! Anyone w/a little accuracy and a good punch beats him. Tyalor would've knocked him out too and that's w/out getting hit as much! Pavlik is a good fighter, but Taylor is going to show him how top fighters fight. He's going to see in Taylor a fighter who counters well, has speed and movement, and punches accurately. I think ppl are taking to much out of the Miranda fight, and actually putting Taylor on Miranda's level! Big Mistake, and I can't wait til sunday morning when all these bandwagoners are in awe cause there boy Pavlik got Ko'd/Tko'd!

"Has Jermain Taylor Benn Tested as Pavlik Was Tested Against Miranda?" Now that's a stupid question!! As a matter of fact Miranda was Tailor made for Pavlik. It wasn't much of a test at all, and it wasn't because Pavlik is that good!!

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Old 09-27-2007, 11:23 AM   #32
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I understand that Taylor has fought the superior competition in his two fights with Bernard and his fight with Winky.

But Im looking back on his career and wondering if he has ever had to display the guts that Pavlik had to display against Miranda, and cant think of an occasion.

I think that Pavliks last fight being such a gut check actualy gives him a substantial advantage over Taylor. I think that if things get ugly with Taylor he will fall back on the experience and find a way to beat Taylor, who has squeaked out some close decisions as of late.

Pavlik in an upset.
pavlik dominated miranda, the fight wasn't even competitive. how is that a gut check?
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Old 09-27-2007, 11:37 AM   #33
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pavlik dominated miranda, the fight wasn't even competitive. how is that a gut check?
Exactly!!
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Old 09-27-2007, 11:46 AM   #34
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Default Re: Has Jermain Taylor Been Tested as Pavlik Was Tested Against Miranda?

Taylor didn't have to be tested. Why worry - the HBO suits make sure the judges have their scorecards filled out before the fight even starts.

Too bad you can't get a gift decision when you're OUT COLD on the canvas, huh??

Pavlik is gonna destroy this fraud - and earlier than people think, too! Can't wait!
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Old 09-27-2007, 12:47 PM   #35
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Pavlik in an upset.
the bookies have it almost 50/50
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Old 09-27-2007, 01:20 PM   #36
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The difference between the Pavlik/Miranda & Taylor/Wright fights are that:
1. Pavliks plan was to back up Miranda, nobody thought he would and he did. Whereas Taylor was expected to fight toe to toe with Winky cause he was the bigger man, and keep his hands up cause Winky was a southpaw. So Pavlik executed his plan, Taylor didnt.
2. When you see the two fights you notice that when Miranda fights back and tries to back up Pavlik, Pavlik starts boxing and eventually puts his punches together to lead to a knock out. When Winky put the pressure on Taylor, Taylor backed up into the ropes. So again, Pavlik knew what to do in that situation.
3. While its true that Winky put more pressure on Taylor on Miranda on Pavlik, it was Taylors job to not allow that to happen. So how is Taylor supposed to fight Pavlik toe to toe, he cant be serious cause i just dont see that happening!
Pavlik 9th round KO.
terrible post. nah lol j/k post makes sense. and as valid points. But I dont agree with the outcome. if you changed it to Taylor KO 9 then we would b in agreement
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Old 09-27-2007, 01:53 PM   #37
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Pavlik has beat much tougher guys then Taylor has Who has Taylor beat Hopkins the most over rated fighter in history Powder puff puncher Winky Wright and little men Ouma and Spinks and he looked so so at best doing it On the other hand the Ghost beat very tough and dangerous fighters in Zuniga, Zertuche and Miranda all guys in there primes, in tough all out action bouts
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Old 09-27-2007, 02:13 PM   #38
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ACB cmon man..your saying BESIDES bhop and winky he hasnt fought anyone..and Pavs has only fought miranda who is overrated i may add..cmon lets look at this fight with an even head..the better boxer usually wins..and thats taylor the only chance pavs has is by KO.and taylor is to smart to exchange blows with this guy..so im looking at Taylor by decision or late KO/TKO due to the frustration from pavlik trying to get inside and leaving himself open.
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Old 09-27-2007, 02:17 PM   #39
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what good is a 500 pound bomb if it lands 3,000 miles away from anything??? Miranda sucks, and would lose badly to four or five guys on Taylors resume. Pavlik is a good fighter, and he has a good shot at winning the fight come sat night, but for anyone to try and suggest that Pavlik has somehow faced something that Taylor hasnt or has proven something more is total bullshit. But hey if that is what some of you guys need to do to make yourself feel better about Kelly's shot at winning this fight then so be it.
Name those 4 or 5 fighters on taylors resume that would beat miranda.

Name any ONE besides hopkins and wright.
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Old 09-27-2007, 02:21 PM   #40
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Teetop answer me this..if pavlik fought who taylor has fought do you think he would be undefeated still??
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Old 09-27-2007, 02:34 PM   #41
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Teetop answer me this..if pavlik fought who taylor has fought do you think he would be undefeated still??
Maybe if he had the HBO suits pulling strings for him like Taylor did!
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Old 09-27-2007, 02:36 PM   #42
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thats rediculous..theres no way he still would be undefeated
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Old 09-27-2007, 02:52 PM   #43
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Maybe if he had the HBO suits pulling strings for him like Taylor did!
Zakman, I'm starting to think you're not actually a real person, but a spam generator that automatically posts the same thing over and over in any thread that has Taylors name in the title.

Still waiting on the evidence that proves this HBO conspiracy you keep mentioning...
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Old 09-27-2007, 03:04 PM   #44
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Taylor is more tested than Pavlik IMO. Power is so overrated on ESB that's it's not even funny. People always tend to underrate things like defense, footwork and ring generalship all far more important than just power. Taylor was tested in the later rounds by an ATG in Hopkins in their first fight that but Pavlik facing an overrated crude slugger in Miranda is a harder test? When will people learn that power isn't the end all be all in boxing.
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Old 09-27-2007, 03:04 PM   #45
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No, but Pavlik hasn't faced anyone with Tayors boxing skills let alone Wrights, Spinks or Hopkins.
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