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Old 12-05-2009, 11:50 AM   #16
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I don't even say it's not Marciano, but "by Far"? Given that the punch stats don't appear to back this and that Frazier brings a generally faster pressure anyway (and there's more to workrate than punches thrown per round), it absolutley is not by far and it sounds to me like it's Frazier.

to me Frazier had a shorter area of prime. He showed great stamina in Ali1 but I think both men fell off (Frazier more) by the thrilla- in Manila and Frazier had the energy but did not have the same type of late power as in Ali 1. Frazier showed late 10th rd power in his win over Bugner but no finish even in his NY state championship bout vs Bonavena he had stamina but could not drop a man that was put down by Ali, Ellis and Folley. When I watch the workrate and power Marciano showed in the Moore fight, the Charles II and Walcott and Lastarza I think he showed stamina and workrate for a longer period of time. Frazier was sort of inactive after Ali 1, the celeb status got to him and a swarmer needs to stay busy. Dempsey suffered from the same rustiness. I think Marciano had better stamina but I guess Far was a strong word.
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Old 12-05-2009, 12:15 PM   #17
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Frazier must have been a wee bit tired after his fights
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Old 12-05-2009, 12:46 PM   #18
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to me Frazier had a shorter area of prime. He showed great stamina in Ali1 but I think both men fell off (Frazier more) by the thrilla- in Manila and Frazier had the energy but did not have the same type of late power as in Ali 1. Frazier showed late 10th rd power in his win over Bugner but no finish even in his NY state championship bout vs Bonavena he had stamina but could not drop a man that was put down by Ali, Ellis and Folley. When I watch the workrate and power Marciano showed in the Moore fight, the Charles II and Walcott and Lastarza I think he showed stamina and workrate for a longer period of time. Frazier was sort of inactive after Ali 1, the celeb status got to him and a swarmer needs to stay busy. Dempsey suffered from the same rustiness. I think Marciano had better stamina but I guess Far was a strong word.
Work rate and power are not related. Nor are prime and work rate, although maybe you mean to say Marciano had a higher work rate "on average", that type of thing?

I thought Frazier threw more punches in Manilla than in the FOTC?
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Old 12-05-2009, 02:17 PM   #19
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Though I agree with Joe as a pick, the Ramos fight was just Sunday afternoon target practice.
True, Ramos was a hyped fighter ,he basically quit against Frazier.imo.
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Old 12-05-2009, 02:35 PM   #20
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Work rate and power are not related. Nor are prime and work rate, although maybe you mean to say Marciano had a higher work rate "on average", that type of thing?

I thought Frazier threw more punches in Manilla than in the FOTC?
Yes a higher work rate on average is a good way to put it. Frazier threw a lot of punches in Manilla but he did not have the same pop on his punches the 11th rd and the 15th of fight one showed late power and stamina. LIke I said both men lost a lot from FOTC and IMO the Frazier and Ali of fight one would beat the Fight 2 and 3 versions more dominantly.
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Old 12-05-2009, 07:05 PM   #21
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How many posts in and there aren't more then two names thrown out in the entire thread? Come on Classic.

How about early Holyfield? The man could keep punching and punching up fresh off of moving up from CWM until his heart problems surfaced.
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Old 12-05-2009, 08:10 PM   #22
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What about early Tyson? He got after his opponents and kept the pressure on, to put it mildly. Dempsey was no slouch. Neither was as active as Smokin' Joe, though. Frazier really did have the highest workrate for a heavyweight.
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How many posts in and there aren't more then two names thrown out in the entire thread? Come on Classic.

How about early Holyfield? The man could keep punching and punching up fresh off of moving up from CWM until his heart problems surfaced.
There might be a reason for that

It's actually Classic at it's best. We don't throw out crap.
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Old 12-05-2009, 10:00 PM   #24
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What about early Tyson? He got after his opponents and kept the pressure on, to put it mildly. Dempsey was no slouch. Neither was as active as Smokin' Joe, though. Frazier really did have the highest workrate for a heavyweight.
Tyson only once stopped a man after the 8th....with Great stamina you have late power..Dempsey fought at a fast pace and was no slouch but inactivity got to him and his promoter liked 10rds
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M.Ali or Larry Holmes. Of course any technical boxer who throws loads of jabs to keep sluggers at bay, often over the whole distance.
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Old 12-06-2009, 12:17 AM   #26
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M.Ali or Larry Holmes. Of course any technical boxer who throws loads of jabs to keep sluggers at bay, often over the whole distance.


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Old 12-06-2009, 12:50 AM   #27
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Marciano. He averaged 80+ punches a round, and often went over 100. Thats a middleweights pace ffs. Sure he'd be a CW today, but Moore was right when he said nobody had more stamina than Marciano then.
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Old 12-06-2009, 07:26 AM   #29
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I would like to see a full punch stat of past champions.

I think Marciano, Frazier, and V Klitschko would be up there in the punch stats.
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Old 12-06-2009, 08:13 AM   #30
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Why hasn't anyone mentioned John Ruiz?!!?!?!?!?!?

But seriously, I'd have to go with Frazier, Marciano, Dempsey as the top guys there and it looks like they're the majority so far. Even if you made it about effective aggression, I'd still go with them. Archie Moore's quote about Rocky- "He wasn't a great boxer, just a great hitter...slam, bam, don't give a damn."
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