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Old 12-05-2009, 11:20 AM   #1
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Madison Square Garden is Packed to capacity for this Heavyweight Doubleheader. The Brockton Blockbuster Rocky Marciano is going against New York's own Gene Tunney & in an equally exciting bout Boston's John L. Sullivan will be facing the Ukraine's Wladimir Klitschko.

Tunney comes out strong & is moving in & out, keeping away from the hammer blows of Marciano. Tunney is scoring well early on. Marciano is fustrated & starts hammering Tunney's body & hitting the arm's. Gene is elusive keeping Marciano reaching for a target. By the mid rounds, Tunney has a sizeable lead. Rock applies more pressure & stuns Gene in the seventh round! Tunney moves around the ring & avoids further damage. In the eighth a hard right opens a nasty cut on Rocky's left eyelid! Marciano is pressing his attack & is having success. Tunney is slowing by the body attack & his arms are stiffining up slightly. By the 12th round Tunney is in the lead, but Marciano is coming on strong. A hard right hand wobbles Tunney! Gene is again moving, Marciano is digging in to the body. By the fourteenth the fight is very close now. Tunney is actually doing very well in the round. A short right hand drops Tunney to a knee! He's up right away & Rocky is all over him throwing punches & scoring damaging shots! The 15th has both fighters throwing punches. Tunney is scoring well, he needs to press his luck to secure the round & attacks Marciano. Rocky counters with hard shots & has Gene in trouble again! Tunney is forced to retreat & Rocky again is on the attack! Gene looks hurt, but refuses to go down again! Tunney lands a hard right at the bell!

ROCKY MARCIANO .15 DEC. GENE TUNNEY

MARCIANO: 146-145. EVEN: 143-143. MARCIANO: 146-144

Klitschko comes out willing to trade with Sullivan. Sullivan intimidated by Wladimir's size is cautious, trying to feel his opponent out. By the thrird round. Klitschko is continuing on the attack, Sullivan starts to score himself. Sullivans' handspeed is a suprise to Wladimir. A right hand wobbles Klitschko & he loses balance! Wladimir is up immediately. In the mid rounds Wladimir uses a different approach, moving around the ring , using his size advantage to maximum effect. The long jab is troubling Sullivan. John l. burrows in and scores on the inside & hammers the body when he can. trying to keep inside of Wladimir's powerful right hand. Klitschko is constantly on the move, scoring well. In the tenth Sullivan tries to back off & counter, Klitschko is scoring very well from long range. In the eleventh Wladimir is almost scoring at will! Sullivan is taking a lathering! Sullivan's corner is telling John L. to keep it in close or they might have to stop it! The 12th has Sullivan scoring on the inside again. Wladimir is suprised by the renewed attack. A left hook staggers Wladimr, by the end of the round another hard shot has Klitschko in trouble! In the 13th Klitschko is moving around the ring and scoring from long range. Sullivan is taking alot of punches. Wladimir is very impressive in this round, but clinches on a few occasions. He looks axhausted! Wladimir closes the round with a fast four punch combo. But at the bell it is Sullivan who is sneering at Wladimir! Klitschko circles around, jabbing. His legs look a little unsure, this is new territory for him, while Sullivan is used to even much longer bouts. Sullivan attacks & a right wobbles back klitschko! Sullivan let's it all hang out throwing punch after punch. Klitschko holds on! A left hook nails Wladimir & he goes down! he rises at 7, Sullivan is wildly attacking. Klitschko ties him up, trying to kill time. At the bell a right hand has Wladimir almost laying on the ropes! In this corner, Wladimir's handler's are furiously working on Wladimir to get ready for the fifteenth round. The referee asked Wladimir if he can continue, Dispite being badly hurt Wladimir is eager to finish. But his brother Vitali waves the fight off! saving Wladimir from further punishment. Vowing revenge for his Brother!

JOHN L. SULLIVAN .15 TKO. WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO
At time of stoppage:
KLITSCHKO: 136-133. KLITSCHKO: 135-132. KLITSCHKO: 134-133.
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Old 12-05-2009, 12:48 PM   #2
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quality, Sullivan beat Wlad. Wait until you hear this noise.
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Old 12-05-2009, 12:52 PM   #3
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wlad lost blimey
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quality, Sullivan beat Wlad. Wait until you hear this noise.
I know some one who will not be a happy bunny!
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well i am sure no one knows who you mean
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JOHN L. SULLIVAN .15 TKO. WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO
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KLITSCHKO: 136-133. KLITSCHKO: 135-132. KLITSCHKO: 134-133.
I do like the banter and informations presented in this forum but this is probably the dumbest ****ing thing I've read.
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I do like the banter and informations presented in this forum but this is probably the dumbest ****ing thing I've read.
Hey, upsets are the spice of boxing
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Voting was close. Very difficult sorting through convincing opinions back & forth. Standout factors would be Sullivans speed, power & stamina. Klitschko has size advantage, boxing ability, defense. Could have gone either way really. But Klitschko was stopped Three times in his prime. Tough call.
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Tournament lost every credibility when a small, untested, oppositionless fighter that fought under COMPLETELY different rules beat one of the very best superheavyweights of all time under his own rules.

I guess in the next tournament, Wilhelm Steinitz is going to beat the Kasparov?
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Who do you think could have beaten Kasparov? Would you go back any further than Fischer? Would you give Tal any kind of chance?
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There is the entire issue of historical perspective and relativism here. All of our Sullivan evidence is based on heresay from eyewitnesses who never with sound mind saw Joe Louis, let alone Marciano, Ali, Frazier, Holmes, Tyson... Sullivan may have looked like a terror fighting full-time blacksmiths, dock workers and day laborers trained on meat broth and ale. However, who has better perspective to judge his abilities against a modern superheavy? Those who have seen decades of modern, ever larger heavyweights in action both live and on tape, and have examined Sullivan's record and the historical conditions underwhich he fought or... some old salt whose final fight he saw was Fitzsimmons blowing out Peter Maher in a round and due to a lack of tape and the logistics of the day probably only saw a few dozen heavyweight fights in his life?

At the end of the discussion, there is a credibility gap between the evidence to support Sullivan that to support Wlad, a huge, cavernous gap.
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Old 12-05-2009, 02:09 PM   #13
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There is the entire issue of historical perspective and relativism here. All of our Sullivan evidence is based on heresay from eyewitnesses who never with sound mind saw Joe Louis, let alone Marciano, Ali, Frazier, Holmes, Tyson... Sullivan may have looked like a terror fighting full-time blacksmiths, dock workers and day laborers trained on meat broth and ale. However, who has better perspective to judge his abilities against a modern superheavy? Those who have seen decades of modern, ever larger heavyweights in action both live and on tape, and have examined Sullivan's record and the historical conditions underwhich he fought or... some old salt whose final fight he saw was Fitzsimmons blowing out Peter Maher in a round and due to a lack of tape and the logistics of the day probably only saw a few dozen heavyweight fights in his life?

At the end of the discussion, there is a credibility gap between the evidence to support Sullivan that to support Wlad, a huge, cavernous gap.
Good post. Yes there are so many variables with this gap. But it is also true that Sullivan was very tough, with a strong chin & went on to fight very long fights. Which would equal to great stamina in a 15 round fight. With Klitschko's great size. could he last effectivly 15 rounds, if he could not stop Sullivan? Is it too far fetched to imagine Sullivan stopping Klitschko, if the 24-13. Ross Purrity did so? in the eleventh. Wladimir was exhausted & looked like he was shot when he went down. Hard to say. but Wladimir is indeed one of the best of today's Heavyweight Champions, no question. But on the same token, Sullivan was no bum.
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Tournament lost every credibility when a small, untested, oppositionless fighter that fought under COMPLETELY different rules beat one of the very best superheavyweights of all time under his own rules.

I guess in the next tournament, Wilhelm Steinitz is going to beat the Kasparov?
True, Is there something about John L. Sullivan (some missing film) that I did not see and how would JJWalcott do against Sullivan
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Good post. Yes there are so many variables with this gap. But it is also true that Sullivan was very tough, with a strong chin & went on to fight very long fights. Which would equal to great stamina in a 15 round fight. With Klitschko's great size. could he last effectivly 15 rounds, if he could not stop Sullivan? Is it too far fetched to imagine Sullivan stopping Klitschko, if the 24-13. Ross Purrity did so? in the eleventh. Wladimir was exhausted & looked like he was shot when he went down. Hard to say. but Wladimir is indeed one of the best of today's Heavyweight Champions, no question. But on the same token, Sullivan was no bum.
i don't get you, you talk about the wladimir who lost to purrity, sanders and brewster, i thought we are talking about the prime version. the prime version is wladimir right now, do you really think that sullivan could take a straight right from a 6.6 249 pounds monster with perfect punch technic, who perhaps has the best and hardest straight right hand in history??? i bet after the first straight right from wladimir sullivan would be cold out, and would never ever beat a 50 count and besides wladimirs stamina improved great under stewert
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