A classic view of the ring belt

nip102 · 12-07-2009, 03:05 PM

I know this as probably being done to death but whats your opinion on the ring belt does it make you 'the champ' or is it just another useless trinket

janitor · 12-07-2009, 03:13 PM

It is by far the most credible belt out there but it is not infalible.

McGrain · 12-07-2009, 03:14 PM

It's attractive because it's devoid of politics to a degree the others can't match. Not entirely, but the machinations of a body like the WBC is basically incomparable. Corrupt doesn't being to cover it.

Whatever the reality, though, the fact that the system used to decide the champion is now owned by one of the world's biggest promoters does hurt it.

lefthook31 · 12-07-2009, 03:34 PM

[quote=McGrain;5598580]It's attractive because it's devoid of politics to a degree the others can't match. Not entirely, but the machinations of a body like the WBC is basically incomparable. Corrupt doesn't being to cover it.

Whatever the reality, though, the fact that the system used to decide the champion is now owned by one of the world's biggest promoters does hurt it.[/quote]

This, and the WBC is considered the most credible of the horrible three. The Ring belt now is tarnished with ODLH owning it, but still fight fans are getting smart enough to realize belts are meaningless anyway in terms of making a great fight. Does anyone really care if a belt is on the line for the Pac Mayweather fight?

Dempsey1238 · 12-07-2009, 03:47 PM

Hell I dont care if a belt is on the line for Pac Mayweather.

I also dont think a champion should "Paid" for the "Right" to be champ.

IE sanction fees. The belt should be won or lost in the ring, or retire. Non of this stripping a fighter in a month if they dont defend against the right guy who didnt earn his title shot, or stripping a fighter just because he has bad politcs, or because he is holding other belt.

A lot of the main 3 alpha belts LOVED to strip a fighter just because they hold other belt.
IE, if your WBA champ and just won the WBO belt, you can kiss your WBA belt goodbuy or in some cases both of em.

Just look at Wlad's last fight, beat the WBA champ, but NO WBA belt lol.

nip102 · 12-07-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by lefthook31

The Ring belt now is tarnished with ODLH owning it

i don't think it has been tarnished that badly there has been no favourable coverage given to gbp fighters in the mag or ranking.Fans are suspicious of ODLH ownership and rightfully so but so far theres being no real scandal.I think he's actually done a good job with the mag and website.
Also i like the fact fighters don't have to pay for the belt

ThinBlack · 12-07-2009, 03:55 PM

The ring belt is a joke, but so then is most of boxing nowadays.

Bill Butcher · 12-07-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by nip102

I know this as probably being done to death but whats your opinion on the ring belt does it make you 'the champ' or is it just another useless trinket

Just another strap.

McGrain · 12-07-2009, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lefthook31

The Ring belt now is tarnished with ODLH owning it

Especially historically. However we feel about it now (and I feel fine about it) how are people going to feel about it in seventy years? How can you take fights for a title seriously in retrospect when they were made by an institution (Ring) flat out owned by a promoter? You can't.

What is most disturbing about the governing bodies throughout history is the influence promoters and managers have over them. Here we have a case where a promoter flat out owns the supposed most respected one. Won't wash in historical terms. No way.

lefthook31 · 12-07-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

Especially historically. However we feel about it now (and I feel fine about it) how are people going to feel about it in seventy years? How can you take fights for a title seriously in retrospect when they were made by an institution (Ring) flat out owned by a promoter? You can't.

What is most disturbing about the governing bodies throughout history is the influence promoters and managers have over them. Here we have a case where a promoter flat out owns the supposed most respected one. Won't wash in historical terms. No way.

Correct and historically boxing writers are the best critics of boxers, meaning they demand the most out of them to have their coveted title.
Now the very thought of knowing the biggest promoter is their boss, has to influence them whether consciously or subconsciously, its in the back of their minds somewhere.

GPater11093 · 12-07-2009, 04:26 PM

I honestly dont think ODLH owning the Ring magazine and belt tarnishes it, i dont think its changed at all since he took over it.

McGrain · 12-07-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GPater11093

I honestly dont think ODLH owning the Ring magazine and belt tarnishes it, i dont think its changed at all since he took over it.

I agree.

But it's how it will look that is important. It's the same with any governing body - the mere hint of impropriety hurts it. Here there is a very obvious case to answer and it will be almost impossible to clear it consistantly in the long run.

GPater11093 · 12-07-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

I agree.

But it's how it will look that is important. It's the same with any governing body - the mere hint of impropriety hurts it. Here there is a very obvious case to answer and it will be almost impossible to clear it consistantly in the long run.

But nothing is corrupt about it a the moment, i think unless something fishy does occur you cant really hold it aginst them.

Also Oscar was a fighter who cared about legacy, so im sure he would like this to help the history of boxing and keep it as a Legitimate and trusted title

McGrain · 12-07-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GPater11093

But nothing is corrupt about it a the moment, i think unless something fishy does occur you cant really hold it aginst them.

But justice and perception rarely mix. And "fishy" is relative. Just check out the general forum whenever a close decision occurs.

nip102 · 12-07-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by McGrain

I agree.

But it's how it will look that is important. It's the same with any governing body - the mere hint of impropriety hurts it. Here there is a very obvious case to answer and it will be almost impossible to clear it consistantly in the long run.

i get what your saying but there is only a hint of it whereas the rest are covered it

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McGrain Diamond Dog East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 63,261 vCash: 1000	Re: A classic view of the ring belt It's attractive because it's devoid of politics to a degree the others can't match. Not entirely, but the machinations of a body like the WBC is basically incomparable. Corrupt doesn't being to cover it. Whatever the reality, though, the fact that the system used to decide the champion is now owned by one of the world's biggest promoters does hurt it.
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lefthook31 Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: in a boxing gym near you Posts: 10,498 vCash: 1000	Re: A classic view of the ring belt [quote=McGrain;5598580]It's attractive because it's devoid of politics to a degree the others can't match. Not entirely, but the machinations of a body like the WBC is basically incomparable. Corrupt doesn't being to cover it. Whatever the reality, though, the fact that the system used to decide the champion is now owned by one of the world's biggest promoters does hurt it.[/quote] This, and the WBC is considered the most credible of the horrible three. The Ring belt now is tarnished with ODLH owning it, but still fight fans are getting smart enough to realize belts are meaningless anyway in terms of making a great fight. Does anyone really care if a belt is on the line for the Pac Mayweather fight?
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Dempsey1238 Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,352 vCash: 1000	Re: A classic view of the ring belt Hell I dont care if a belt is on the line for Pac Mayweather. I also dont think a champion should "Paid" for the "Right" to be champ. IE sanction fees. The belt should be won or lost in the ring, or retire. Non of this stripping a fighter in a month if they dont defend against the right guy who didnt earn his title shot, or stripping a fighter just because he has bad politcs, or because he is holding other belt. A lot of the main 3 alpha belts LOVED to strip a fighter just because they hold other belt. IE, if your WBA champ and just won the WBO belt, you can kiss your WBA belt goodbuy or in some cases both of em. Just look at Wlad's last fight, beat the WBA champ, but NO WBA belt lol.
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ThinBlack Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,977 vCash: 1000	Re: A classic view of the ring belt The ring belt is a joke, but so then is most of boxing nowadays.
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GPater11093 Barry East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scotland Posts: 26,118 vCash: 836	Re: A classic view of the ring belt I honestly dont think ODLH owning the Ring magazine and belt tarnishes it, i dont think its changed at all since he took over it.
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