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Old 12-07-2009, 07:54 PM   #31
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Seriously now?
i hear people blubbering over him all the time on here ..
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Old 12-07-2009, 07:58 PM   #32
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Julio Cesar Chavez was the first to come to mind.

One's definition of all-time great must be EXTREMELY generous for the G-Man to be considered.

How about Jack Dempsey & Sonny Liston?
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Old 12-07-2009, 08:02 PM   #33
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In that case I'd add Zarate and Chang, now that Chavez has been picked up on.
Zarate is not an ATG. To call his competition taxicab drivers is an insult to taxicab drivers. Neither is Chang: weak resume with a stand out win over Zapata who was a good boxer but nothing more. Same goes for Lopez limited competition with a gift draw in Mexico against Rosendo Alvarez and a questionable SD win that left his face a bloody mess. Lopez is borderline ATG at best.


Mike McCallum is a good call.
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Old 12-07-2009, 08:24 PM   #34
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Pernell Whitaker (technically speaking, of course, since I did score the Chavez and DLH fights in his favor but for some reason the judges didn't see it Pernell's way)
The DLH fight was a toss up, it was the margins more than the actual winner that was so wrong.

Im a fan of both Chavez & Whitaker, I dont let incompetent/corrupt fat ****s make my mind up, Whitaker beat Chavez who is 1000% an ATG fighter.
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Old 12-07-2009, 08:59 PM   #35
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In my top 130 or so fighters:

Jimmy Wilde
Julio Cesar Chavez
Vicente Saldivar
Miguel Canto
Ruben Olivares
George Dixon (at least officially)
Victor Galindez
Manuel Ortiz
Carlos Zarate
Jack Non Pareil Dempsey
Panama Al Brown
Pascual Perez
Jung Koo Chang

(Ricardo Lopez is not in my top 130)
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Old 12-07-2009, 09:05 PM   #36
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In my top 130 or so fighters:

Jimmy Wilde
Julio Cesar Chavez
Vicente Saldivar
Miguel Canto
Ruben Olivares
George Dixon (at least officially)
Victor Galindez
Manuel Ortiz
Carlos Zarate
Jack Non Pareil Dempsey
Panama Al Brown
Pascual Perez
Jung Koo Chang


(Ricardo Lopez is not in my top 130)
Does Howard Winstone not creep in at the lower end of the 130? I know hes outside my top 100 anyway but he might be top 130 for me.
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Old 12-07-2009, 09:17 PM   #37
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Does Howard Winstone not creep in at the lower end of the 130? I know hes outside my top 100 anyway but he might be top 130 for me.
Excellent fighter, but no he doesn't. Plenty of other really good fighters are outside my top 130 too though, so he's in good company:

e.g. here's some in the last 50 or so years that don't make my 130:
Shane Mosley
Sumbu Kalambay
Eddie Perkins
Kostya Tszyu
Ricardo Lopez
Hiroyuki Ebihara
Horacio Accavallo
Santos Laciar
Johnny Famechon
Lionel Rose
Salvatore Burruni
Jose Medel
Chucho Castillo
Rafael Herrera
Yuri Arbachakov
Jose Becerra
Sugar Ramos
John Conteh
Antonio Gomez
Myung Woo Yuh
Yoko Gushiken
Betulio Gonzalez
Lupe Pintor
Winky Wright

No shame in being amongst that crop.

I haven't actually even put Marco Antonio Barrera or Erik Morales in my top 130 either. They probably will squeeze in there, but I've put off ranking them for now. Don't think either will be in the top 100 for me though.
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Old 12-07-2009, 09:25 PM   #38
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Excellent fighter, but no he doesn't. Plenty of other really good fighters are outside my top 130 too though, so he's in good company:

e.g. here's some in the last 50 or so years that don't make my 130:
Shane Mosley
Sumbu Kalambay
Eddie Perkins
Kostya Tszyu
Ricardo Lopez
Hiroyuki Ebihara
Horacio Accavallo
Santos Laciar
Johnny Famechon
Lionel Rose
Salvatore Burruni
Jose Medel
Chucho Castillo
Rafael Herrera
Yuri Arbachakov
Jose Becerra
Sugar Ramos
John Conteh
Antonio Gomez
Myung Woo Yuh
Yoko Gushiken
Betulio Gonzalez
Lupe Pintor
Winky Wright

No shame in being amongst that crop.

I haven't actually even put Marco Antonio Barrera or Erik Morales in my top 130 either. They probably will squeeze in there, but I've put off ranking them for now. Don't think either will be in the top 100 for me though.
No I dont have Lopez either. In fact out of your list I only have Barrera and Morales top 100, I found room for them. Like you said though, not bad company for a runners-up list.
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Old 12-07-2009, 09:30 PM   #39
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Excellent fighter, but no he doesn't. Plenty of other really good fighters are outside my top 130 too though, so he's in good company:

e.g. here's some in the last 50 or so years that don't make my 130:
Shane Mosley
Sumbu Kalambay
Eddie Perkins
Kostya Tszyu
Ricardo Lopez
Hiroyuki Ebihara
Horacio Accavallo
Santos Laciar
Johnny Famechon
Lionel Rose
Salvatore Burruni
Jose Medel
Chucho Castillo
Rafael Herrera
Yuri Arbachakov
Jose Becerra
Sugar Ramos
John Conteh
Antonio Gomez
Myung Woo Yuh
Yoko Gushiken
Betulio Gonzalez
Lupe Pintor
Winky Wright

No shame in being amongst that crop.

I haven't actually even put Marco Antonio Barrera or Erik Morales in my top 130 either. They probably will squeeze in there, but I've put off ranking them for now. Don't think either will be in the top 100 for me though.
Any chance of seeing your officail top 100 boxers list man?
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Old 12-07-2009, 09:33 PM   #40
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Any chance of seeing your officail top 100 boxers list man?
I've currently got it in this annoying excel doc format so I can't readily put it up here. But I'll find a way to do it and put it up soon.
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Old 12-07-2009, 09:43 PM   #41
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I've currently got it in this annoying excel doc format so I can't readily put it up here. But I'll find a way to do it and put it up soon.
Look foward to it man.
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Old 12-07-2009, 09:44 PM   #42
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I remember you posted something a while back sweet.

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Dont know if its changed much since then.
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I remember you posted something a while back sweet.

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Dont know if its changed much since then.
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Old 12-07-2009, 10:00 PM   #44
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I remember you posted something a while back sweet.

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Dont know if its changed much since then.
It actually has changed quite a bit mate. That list posted there was one largely going off my intuition as to which fighter was better (no real criteria that I applied across the board). I've calculated everything according to a criteria in my new list. Which may not guarantee that it's better, but it might be more consistent. I'll post it in a little while.
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Old 12-07-2009, 10:02 PM   #45
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I remember you posted something a while back sweet.

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Dont know if its changed much since then.
Buchanan above Barrera...he's been smoking some serious shit.
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