Boxing  

Forum Home Boxing Forum European British Classic Aussie MMA Training
Go Back   Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > Classic Boxing Forum


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 12-09-2009, 06:51 PM   #121
Popkins
Undisputed Champion
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 13,401
vCash: 1000
Default Re: ATG's Who Never Beat A Fellow Great

Quote:
Originally Posted by sweet_scientist View Post
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]


[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]


[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
An interesting read mate, like all lists it has some things the reader likes, some he doesn't.

Personally, I like the high placings given to Ezzard Charles, Kid Gavilan and Luis Manuel Rodriguez, three amazing fighters who are usually lowballed on such lists.

The flip side, which I think may be on account of adhering to a mathematical system (including the especially odd category of 'Character') rather than just calling it on your own opinions, is that there are some very strange placings indeed.

Pep above Armstrong? I can't go along with that one myself.

Hagler over Walker and Chavez over Monzon? The same.

And Roy Jones so many places ahead of Charley Burley and Jimmy McLarnin?

A strong list, but some bum notes IMO, but then, what list doesn't? I know I couldn't do better.
Popkins is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 12-09-2009, 09:28 PM   #122
sweet_scientist
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 6,870
vCash: 1000
Default Re: ATG's Who Never Beat A Fellow Great

Quote:
Originally Posted by Popkins View Post
An interesting read mate, like all lists it has some things the reader likes, some he doesn't.

Personally, I like the high placings given to Ezzard Charles, Kid Gavilan and Luis Manuel Rodriguez, three amazing fighters who are usually lowballed on such lists.

The flip side, which I think may be on account of adhering to a mathematical system (including the especially odd category of 'Character') rather than just calling it on your own opinions, is that there are some very strange placings indeed.

Pep above Armstrong? I can't go along with that one myself.

Hagler over Walker and Chavez over Monzon? The same.

And Roy Jones so many places ahead of Charley Burley and Jimmy McLarnin?

A strong list, but some bum notes IMO, but then, what list doesn't? I know I couldn't do better.
Cheers Pop. I'm guessing you're probably thinking I've placed to much of an emphasis on dominance in this list, and not enough on resume, because all the criticisms you make above regard dominant fighters with lesser resumes being ranked above more tested and proven commodities. A fair enough criticism and one that I acknowledge myself as a draw back in my list.
sweet_scientist is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2009, 06:08 AM   #123
Mendoza
Dominating a decade
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 14,309
vCash: 1000
Default Re: ATG's Who Never Beat A Fellow Great

Did Geroge Dixon ever beat a great fighter?
Mendoza is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2009, 06:17 AM   #124
Mendoza
Dominating a decade
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 14,309
vCash: 1000
Default Re: ATG's Who Never Beat A Fellow Great

Quote:
Originally Posted by sweet_scientist View Post
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]


[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]


[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
Outstanding effort Sweet Scientists. It must have taken you hours to organize, and calculate the data. Such lists require constant tweaking. I once came up with an all time top 100 heavyweight list, with 11+ categories in excel format.

The only part I disagree with is Harold Johnson at #53 and Miguel Canto at #54. I'd move both guys way down the list.
Mendoza is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2009, 07:11 AM   #125
Boxed Ears
Smugly Savvy Feelings
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Pazinfowit, Esperantia
Posts: 24,951
vCash: 26664
Default Re: ATG's Who Never Beat A Fellow Great

Koki Kameda.
Boxed Ears is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2009, 08:19 AM   #126
sweet_scientist
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 6,870
vCash: 1000
Default Re: ATG's Who Never Beat A Fellow Great

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mendoza View Post
Did Geroge Dixon ever beat a great fighter?
Arguably he beat Young Griffo, but he doesn't have an official win.

Quote:
Outstanding effort Sweet Scientists. It must have taken you hours to organize, and calculate the data. Such lists require constant tweaking. I once came up with an all time top 100 heavyweight list, with 11+ categories in excel format.

The only part I disagree with is Harold Johnson at #53 and Miguel Canto at #54. I'd move both guys way down the list.
Thanks mate.
sweet_scientist is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2009, 12:32 PM   #127
trampie
Contender
ESB Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,114
vCash: 1000
Default Re: ATG's Who Never Beat A Fellow Great

Quote:
Originally Posted by sweet_scientist View Post
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]


[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]


[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
Nice list
You have explained your ranking criterior for the 129 boxers in your list, but how did you arrive at the 129 in the first place ?
All the usual suspects seem to be there, except Pancho Villa, apologies if I missed him.
trampie is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2009, 10:14 PM   #128
sweet_scientist
Champion
East Side Guru
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 6,870
vCash: 1000
Default Re: ATG's Who Never Beat A Fellow Great

Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie View Post
Nice list
You have explained your ranking criterior for the 129 boxers in your list, but how did you arrive at the 129 in the first place ?
All the usual suspects seem to be there, except Pancho Villa, apologies if I missed him.


I had made a list before, not really based on any solid criteria, but just on who I intuitively thought was great. I used that list to pick out most of the names here, and added a few that I thought were in the vicinity of that list.

Pancho Villa isn't on the list, but perhaps he should be. I haven't thought about evaluating him, but he would be close to inclusion at the very least, if not actually on the list, if I did evaluate him.

A few others that I've thought about including, but which aren't there, are the likes of Kid Lavigne and Jack McAuliffe. Those are just two, but there are plenty of fighters on the periphery.
sweet_scientist is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Reply

Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > Classic Boxing Forum

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:14 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Boxing News 24 Forum 2013