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Old 09-27-2007, 07:17 PM   #1
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Default Top five of the last forty years ?

Name your top five fighters of the last forty years in terms of natural boxing ability.

CONSIDER

speed
reflexes
style
movement
ring generalship
offence
defence
timing
counterpunching

Just to get the old ball rolling, in chronological order:

Ali
Leonard
Sweetpea
Jones
Mayweather
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Old 09-27-2007, 07:21 PM   #2
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I agree with Cuchulain/
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Old 09-27-2007, 07:28 PM   #3
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Default Re: Top five of the last forty years ?

In no order
Ali
Duran
Leonard
Hagler
Jones
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Old 09-27-2007, 07:29 PM   #4
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Default Re: Top five of the last forty years ?

Leonard
Duran
Hagler
Whitaker
Jones


Then you have Ali, Chavez, Mayweather, Hopkins, etc.
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Old 09-27-2007, 07:54 PM   #5
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Default Re: Top five of the last forty years ?

Ali
Leonard
Whitaker
Jones, Jr.
Duran

The comes...
Hearns
Hagler
Hopkins
Mayweather
Holmes
Chavez
Holyfield
Benitez
Lewis
Lopez
Arguello
Barrera
Tyson
De La Hoya
Tszyu
Toney
Wright
Mosley
Curry
Nunn
etc.

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Old 09-27-2007, 07:55 PM   #6
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Default Re: Top five of the last forty years ?

Calzaghe
Jones
Whitaker
Mayweather
Duran
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Old 09-27-2007, 08:03 PM   #7
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Default Re: Top five of the last forty years ?

Mayweather
Jones
leonard
Sweet Pea
Ali
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Old 09-27-2007, 08:20 PM   #8
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Default Re: Top five of the last forty years ?

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Originally Posted by brooklyn1550
Ali
Leonard
Whitaker
Jones, Jr.
Duran

The comes...
Hearns
Hagler
Hopkins
Mayweather
Holmes
Chavez
Holyfield
Benitez
Lewis
Lopez
Arguello
Barrera
De La Hoya
Tszyu
Toney
Wright
Mosley
Curry
Nunn
etc.
nO MENTION OF TYSON?! SACRILAGE
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Old 09-27-2007, 08:23 PM   #9
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nO MENTION OF TYSON?! SACRILAGE
My bad...he slipped my mind - after all, he didn't exactly have a crowd pleasing style
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Old 09-27-2007, 08:40 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by Blocky
Stop being a jackass.

The question was who is the best natural boxer, not who has the best resume or who performed the highest during their boxing careers.
Solid post.

The American resume obsession is out of control, they bring it up on thread specifically designed to avoid the whole resume issue.
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Old 09-27-2007, 08:46 PM   #11
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Calzaghe....




Jones
Whitaker
Mayweather
Duran





Better?
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Old 09-27-2007, 08:46 PM   #12
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Default Re: Top five of the last forty years ?

Jones, Leonard, Whitaker, Mayweather, Ali....

Based purely on "natural boxing talent" I would take this five.

Tyson, to me, required more training and repetition of techniques, whereas someone like Jones could do stuff that you could not train someone to do. Bernard Hopkins again learned his style by watching the past legends and perfecting it, so it wasn't necessarily a "natural ability" that helped him rise to the top, albeit anyone who reaches such a high level must have some ability to start with.

Tough to beat the five I've listed here for just "having it".
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Old 09-27-2007, 09:09 PM   #13
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And about the long reign I guess its ok to put Calzaghe in the top 5 but not Hopkins?
It is actually not difficult to make a case about Calzaghe being a more natural boxer than Hopkins.
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Old 09-27-2007, 09:15 PM   #14
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Are we talking about Natural or possessing those aforementioned skills??? Because if we are talking abouyt a natural fighter its PAC
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Old 09-27-2007, 09:15 PM   #15
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So you're ridiculing me for getting on someone for ragging on his pick of Finito. Please tell me what was natural about Finito. Black is not responding because he realizes he was wrong, so maybe you can enlighten me.
"CONSIDER

speed
reflexes
style
movement
ring generalship
offence
defence
timing
counterpunching"

Create arguments based on these factors of Lopez's abilities which form a case suggesting he isn't a naturally talented fighter...
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