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View Poll Results: Who Is The Best Middleweight Of All Time?
Stanley Ketchel 1 1.45%
Harry Greb 18 26.09%
Ray Robinson 7 10.14%
Carlos Monzon 19 27.54%
Marvin Hagler 14 20.29%
Bernard Hopkins 7 10.14%
Jake Lamotta 0 0%
Tiger Flowers 0 0%
Nonpareil Jack Dempsey 0 0%
Other (Please Name) 3 4.35%
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Old 12-09-2009, 05:59 PM   #31
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fair enough

BTW afew motnhs ago we did an ESB Middleweight Tourny and Monzon won
Yeah I no, WhataRock told me right after I had done the thread.....

Who did he beat in the final?
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Old 12-09-2009, 06:01 PM   #32
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Hagler but if i remember Charley Burley and Tiger Flowers got to the semis
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Old 12-09-2009, 06:05 PM   #33
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Hagler but if i remember Charley Burley and Tiger Flowers got to the semis
Who eliminated Robinson more to the point ?
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Old 12-09-2009, 06:07 PM   #34
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Who eliminated Robinson more to the point ?
beleive it or not Fitzsimmons by 7 round KO who then got shut out by Burley
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Old 12-09-2009, 06:56 PM   #35
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beleive it or not Fitzsimmons by 7 round KO who then got shut out by Burley
And rightly so to.

Robinson has no hope of doing what Fitzsimmons did as a middleweight.
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Old 12-09-2009, 07:02 PM   #36
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As you said BEST and not biggest legacy it has to be Jones Jr without a doubt
Based on what exactly? One dull points win over a green and unproven Bernard Hopkins?

Peak Marvin Hagler beats that version of Roy, no doubt.

But ultimately, Monzon was the best mw of all-time, as he was better than the mw Robinson, Hagler or Hopkins, and we don't have sufficient footage of Greb.

How can LaMotta even be in the poll anyway, how could anyone have him above SRR?!
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Old 12-09-2009, 07:09 PM   #37
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Based on what exactly? One dull points win over a green and unproven Bernard Hopkins?

Peak Marvin Hagler beats that version of Roy, no doubt.

But ultimately, Monzon was the best mw of all-time, as he was better than the mw Robinson, Hagler or Hopkins, and we don't have sufficient footage of Greb.

How can LaMotta even be in the poll anyway, how could anyone have him above SRR?!

What exactly can Monzon do to Roy Jones Jr?

Against an athlete like Roy, probably nothing. What equalizer does he have here to Roy just pot shotting him?
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Based on what exactly? One dull points win over a green and unproven Bernard Hopkins?

Peak Marvin Hagler beats that version of Roy, no doubt.

But ultimately, Monzon was the best mw of all-time, as he was better than the mw Robinson, Hagler or Hopkins, and we don't have sufficient footage of Greb.

How can LaMotta even be in the poll anyway, how could anyone have him above SRR?!
Yeah. But Lamotta was a accomplished Middleweight.

He did defeat Robison do he had a huge weight advantge. And all 6 fights between him and Robinson were lose hard fought affairs, besides the 13th round of the last bout, were Lamotta was servely weight drained.

He also defeated Fritzie Zivic, Tommy Bell, Holman Williams, Marcel Cerdan, Tiberio Mitri, Laurent Dauthuille, and Gene Hairston.

Thats a damn right solid Middleweight resume.......
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Old 12-09-2009, 08:46 PM   #39
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What exactly can Monzon do to Roy Jones Jr?

Against an athlete like Roy, probably nothing. What equalizer does he have here to Roy just pot shotting him?
The equalizer that left ultra tough Nino Benvenuti a shattered sack of bone and muscle in the corner for one. As well as patience, timing, technical proficiency, inhuman stamina, resilience and championship experience at the weight.

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Old 12-10-2009, 11:33 AM   #40
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What exactly can Monzon do to Roy Jones Jr?

Against an athlete like Roy, probably nothing. What equalizer does he have here to Roy just pot shotting him?
It's not often you see a post as bad as this in the Classic Forum. Have you ever seen Monzon fight? I sincerely doubt it.
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Old 12-10-2009, 12:29 PM   #41
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What exactly can Monzon do to Roy Jones Jr?

Against an athlete like Roy, probably nothing. What equalizer does he have here to Roy just pot shotting him?
Monzon had the ability to use the 15 round distance in a most effective and cruel manner, and coupled with that right of his, he would have stopped Jones before the end of the 14th round. Monzon's right, which bludgeoned Nino Benvenuti would have connected with Jone's chin...and the rather chinny RJJ would have been stopped.
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Old 12-10-2009, 12:49 PM   #42
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hagler
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Old 12-10-2009, 12:57 PM   #43
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toss up between monzon and hagler. i prefer hagler. i think he looks and fights better. where as monzon seems clumsy and ungainly. i know that shouldnt be the deciding factor but they are so close in terms of achivement i base my views on haglers allrounded abilty
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Old 12-11-2009, 12:25 AM   #44
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Greb, Hagler, Monzon...in that order.
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Old 12-11-2009, 05:06 AM   #45
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I would say Hagler just ahead of Monzon.

I havn't read enough about Greb to form an opinion on him yet.
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