Donaire better than PAC ...

[mad_takamura]

Originally Posted by Stinky gloves

But lose is a lose.

If you mutiply win over Barrera by two then it equals to two wins over Vic and Arce
but the lose to Morales even close diminish PAC score a little.

So two good wins against one great win and one lose.

if you are arguing about quantity then compare valero's "unbeaten" record( 22 w 22 ko's 0l) to pbf's unbeaten record.(38w 24ko's 0l) who do you think wins?

[mad_takamura]

nyahahaha. got ya. pbf wins of cours it's a no- brainer.

[Stinky gloves]

Originally Posted by mad_takamura

if you are arguing about quantity then compare valero's "unbeaten" record( 22 w 22 ko's 0l) to pbf's unbeaten record.(38w 24ko's 0l) who do you think wins?

Yeh but if you compare PBF unbeaten record to Calzaghe unbeaten
record then thinks may be seen differently - Calfagi will kill PBF with one hand.
It meakes no sense to tell PAC will beat Donaire because they are at different weight classes.

What I'm saying PAc had one big win and one lose, while Donaire may have two
very good wins and no lose (against other significant opponents) at this level and
the same stage of his own career so he may be even better than PAC.

[charlievint]

Originally Posted by Stinky gloves

.... after he KO Arce?

Two wins over the former/current top dogs ...
this sounds better than PAC after his two first bouts with Barrera and Morales.

LOL...Not even close! JMM, Morales and MAB are HALL OF FAMERS and Future Mex ATG's with out a doubt! Arce and Vic are very good, solid champions but still have ALOT of space to fill to fit the shoes of the 3 Mexican Greats. But it would be a VERY impressive feat to say the least.

[charlievint]

Originally Posted by Stinky gloves

Mad, I just compare Donaire (if he KO Arce) with PAC after his first big fights with Barrera and Morales.
If you guys do not remember Morales beat PAC the first time, so KO over Vic and Arce
may be bigger achievement than beating Barrera and losing to Morales,
no matter that PAC was already recognized before he step up the competition.

Comparing their overall achievemnts do not have any sense since Donaire have only 20 or so fights
and there is really not too many fighters at that weight class at the same level as MAB and Morales.

Also if you think about whole career, then you should wait a week so maybe
you will see PAC career differently after MAB KO him in two rounds.

Are you serious about MAB koing Pac in 2 rounds?? I know you aren't a crack head even though your post would indicate otherwise..... Pac is in for a tough test but believe me! PAC will be ready for the best MAB and I think he'll KO Marco Late again...but MAB will offer a great challenge b/c he's a true warrior.

Comparing MAB and EM to Vic and Arce is like comparing a Bently to a Mercedes. Both are luxury cars but the Creme de la Creme is the Bently with out a doubt.

[hooligan]

in skill yes...

in resume no...

[Stinky gloves]

Originally Posted by charlievint

LOL...Not even close! JMM, Morales and MAB are HALL OF FAMERS and Future Mex ATG's with out a doubt! Arce and Vic are very good, solid champions but still have ALOT of space to fill to fit the shoes of the 3 Mexican Greats. But it would be a VERY impressive feat to say the least.

If you bringing JMM, the you should be adwised that PAC did not beat JMM.
So if you count PAC 3 first fights with great Mexicans he have one win, one lose, one draw.

Arce and Vic are for sure a little bleow the level of MAB, Morales and JMM
but aren't two clear KO wins better than win, lose and a draw?

[1punch1nder]

Originally Posted by Stinky gloves

.... after he KO Arce?

Two wins over the former/current top dogs ...
this sounds better than PAC after his two first bouts with Barrera and Morales.

you should know better.

[Stinky gloves]

Originally Posted by 1punch1nder

you should know better.

You tell me

[mad_takamura]

Originally Posted by Stinky gloves

You tell me

stinky i'm arguing about quality, for you it;s simply quantity.

[Stinky gloves]

Originally Posted by mad_takamura

stinky i'm arguing about quality, for you it;s simply quantity.

No I want to know proper ballance: 1 + 1 > 2 - 0.5 + 0

[agila2004a]

Technically, I like what I see in Donaire..defense and counter attack. But PAC has that "X" factor that brings excitement when he enters the ring. It's like unleashing an animal in the ring.

[1punch1nder]

Originally Posted by Stinky gloves

You tell me

pac already cleaned the lower division, i doubt nonito can do it.

[Stinky gloves]

Originally Posted by 1punch1nder

pac already cleaned the lower division, i doubt nonito can do it.

Now yes, but at the respective time of their careers Donaire look better
(of course assuming Donaire beat Arce).Aslo PAC did not clean up Marquez
and if he lose to MAB the whole cleanup statement will not be true.