What welterweights would you pick to beat the Duran of the first Leonard fight? - Page 2

WhataRock · 12-20-2009, 06:44 PM

I think that version is capable of beating anyone whoever laced them up at the weight...but I think he would have to catch guys like Robinson or Hearns on a bad night to pick up the win.

A lot of 50-50 calls aswell...The kind of fights that would split opinion.

brando18b4h · 12-20-2009, 08:06 PM

The only other WW I would give a chance to beat this version of Duran is Sugar Ray Robinson who I rate as the best P4P fighter of all time. however I have only seen limited footage of Robinson at this weight and I just find it hard to envision anyone beating Roberto on that night.

MRBILL · 12-20-2009, 08:14 PM

Also, I gotta say that the Duran from the "Palomino-Leonard" fights from 1979 / '80, would beat the ever lovin' shit out of Julio C. Chavez from 1989 to 1993...... Duran by KO over Chavez in a one-sided encounter / affair........ Peace....

MR.BILL

natonic · 12-20-2009, 09:24 PM

Only Robinson for sure. Benitez was stronger and more mature and Duran wasn't quite "Montreal" Duran when he fought Benitez. I don't believe Tommy Hearns is a slam dunk to beat "Montreal" Duran. Maybe a great mover like Luis Manuel Rodriguez could pull it off but no sure thing.

JohnThomas1 · 12-21-2009, 01:26 AM

Sugar Ray Robinson
Thomas Hearns
Sugar Ray Leonard (post initial encounter)

Less confident - Gavilan would be tough, Napoles too, Armstrong interesting, Benitez interesting, Walker and Burley interesting.

MRBILL · 12-21-2009, 02:36 AM

I agree with whoever stated that Duran of early '82 against Benitez was NOT as tuned or primed like he was for SRL in Montreal earlier in '80........ I know HBO remarked that Duran looked good going in against Benitez, but that song changed after 4 or 5 rds......... Physically I thought Duran looked pretty good at 152 pounds, but he was sluggish and breathing hard by round 10...... Duran was NOT the same.......

MR.BILL

Popkins · 12-21-2009, 09:13 AM

(bracing myself for the outrage)... No-one except Robinson. And I include Ray Leonard and Thomas Hearns in that. Napoles would give him a great fight though.

robert ungurean · 12-21-2009, 10:13 AM

Noboby beats Duran on that night.

The Morlocks · 12-21-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Maxmomer

He was on fire that night. Maybe the best performance from one of the best fighters of all time P4P. What welterweights would you pick to win?

Noone. But I'd include the palimino fight as well.

The Morlocks · 12-21-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MRBILL

NONE!!! In June of 1980, nobody from 135 to 150 pounds was gonna beat Duran in the ring.... In June of '80, Duran was pumped, psyched and in-shape at a TIGHT 145 pounds.........

Again, Duran did immediately balloon up in weight after the brawl in Montreal against SRL, but Duran still looked physically good at 147 in Nov. for SRL in New Orleans........ Duran may have been slightly drained from rapid weight loss, etc.... But he still could've beaten 90% of the welter's out there; just not a charged SRL in New Orleans......... Duran mentally was not the same in New Orleans......

MR.BILL

Or physically if you look at his physique. Plus he looked bored from the beginninng. Duran hunger was satiated in Montreal and the fierce warrior and style was NEVER seen again.

The Morlocks · 12-21-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Duodenum

Only Robinson, in my estimation. After Montreal, KO Magazine conducted a poll to name the greatest WW of all time. Duran came in second to Robby, and that's how I've had it ever since. 147 was not the best weight for Hearns or Walker. Duran's chin was never dented at this weight. Against Monroe Brooks, he demonstrated one punch knockout power (with a body shot, no less). Nobody ever dominated Palomino like he did, and only Duran was ever able to drop Palomino in a later round. (Armando Muniz caught the slow starting Carlos cold in their first match.)

That was "Big Book of Boxing" the result one also had a great tribute to Victor Galindez right before he died.

The Morlocks · 12-21-2009, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MRBILL

Also, I gotta say that the Duran from the "Palomino-Leonard" fights from 1979 / '80, would beat the ever lovin' shit out of Julio C. Chavez from 1989 to 1993...... Duran by KO over Chavez in a one-sided encounter / affair........ Peace....

MR.BILL

At lightweight he puts him out in 10.

frankenfrank · 12-21-2009, 11:12 AM

Hearns

donald curry is always a good option also.
robinson of course.
marlon starling
delahoya
paul williams (the one who murderred quintana)

maybe even vernon forrest , but i will not argue about this idea.

ironchamp · 12-21-2009, 11:15 AM

Robinson
Hearns

I give Shane Mosley a decent shot

la-califa · 12-21-2009, 11:42 AM

If you followed the recent "Latin Welterweight Tourney" Most posters here actually picked Luis Rodriguez to defeat Duran.

12-20-2009, 06:44 PM	#16
WhataRock Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sydney Posts: 13,388 vCash: 166	Re: What welterweights would you pick to beat the Duran of the first Leonard fight? I think that version is capable of beating anyone whoever laced them up at the weight...but I think he would have to catch guys like Robinson or Hearns on a bad night to pick up the win. A lot of 50-50 calls aswell...The kind of fights that would split opinion.
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12-20-2009, 08:06 PM	#17
brando18b4h Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 364 vCash: 1000	Re: What welterweights would you pick to beat the Duran of the first Leonard fight? The only other WW I would give a chance to beat this version of Duran is Sugar Ray Robinson who I rate as the best P4P fighter of all time. however I have only seen limited footage of Robinson at this weight and I just find it hard to envision anyone beating Roberto on that night.
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12-20-2009, 08:14 PM	#18
MRBILL P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 17,249 vCash: 1000	Re: What welterweights would you pick to beat the Duran of the first Leonard fight? Also, I gotta say that the Duran from the "Palomino-Leonard" fights from 1979 / '80, would beat the ever lovin' shit out of Julio C. Chavez from 1989 to 1993...... Duran by KO over Chavez in a one-sided encounter / affair........ Peace.... MR.BILL
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12-20-2009, 09:24 PM	#19
natonic Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,737 vCash: 1000	Re: What welterweights would you pick to beat the Duran of the first Leonard fight? Only Robinson for sure. Benitez was stronger and more mature and Duran wasn't quite "Montreal" Duran when he fought Benitez. I don't believe Tommy Hearns is a slam dunk to beat "Montreal" Duran. Maybe a great mover like Luis Manuel Rodriguez could pull it off but no sure thing.
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JohnThomas1 Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 12,184 vCash: 1000	Re: What welterweights would you pick to beat the Duran of the first Leonard fight? Sugar Ray Robinson Thomas Hearns Sugar Ray Leonard (post initial encounter) Less confident - Gavilan would be tough, Napoles too, Armstrong interesting, Benitez interesting, Walker and Burley interesting.
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12-21-2009, 02:36 AM	#21
MRBILL P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 17,249 vCash: 1000	Re: What welterweights would you pick to beat the Duran of the first Leonard fight? I agree with whoever stated that Duran of early '82 against Benitez was NOT as tuned or primed like he was for SRL in Montreal earlier in '80........ I know HBO remarked that Duran looked good going in against Benitez, but that song changed after 4 or 5 rds......... Physically I thought Duran looked pretty good at 152 pounds, but he was sluggish and breathing hard by round 10...... Duran was NOT the same....... MR.BILL
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12-21-2009, 09:13 AM	#22
Popkins Pacquiao East Side VIP Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: UK Posts: 13,559 vCash: 1000	Re: What welterweights would you pick to beat the Duran of the first Leonard fight? (bracing myself for the outrage)... No-one except Robinson. And I include Ray Leonard and Thomas Hearns in that. Napoles would give him a great fight though. Last edited by Popkins; 12-21-2009 at 10:23 AM.
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12-21-2009, 10:13 AM	#23
robert ungurean Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: liftin 3 kettlebells in pa.usa Posts: 2,172 vCash: 1000	Re: What welterweights would you pick to beat the Duran of the first Leonard fight? Noboby beats Duran on that night.
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12-21-2009, 11:12 AM	#28
frankenfrank Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,959 vCash: 4470	Re: What welterweights would you pick to beat the Duran of the first Leonard fight? Hearns donald curry is always a good option also. robinson of course. marlon starling delahoya paul williams (the one who murderred quintana) maybe even vernon forrest , but i will not argue about this idea.
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12-21-2009, 11:15 AM	#29
ironchamp Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New York Posts: 3,645 vCash: 1230	Re: What welterweights would you pick to beat the Duran of the first Leonard fight? Robinson Hearns I give Shane Mosley a decent shot
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12-21-2009, 11:42 AM	#30
la-califa Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: City of Angels Posts: 3,159 vCash: 1000	Re: What welterweights would you pick to beat the Duran of the first Leonard fight? If you followed the recent "Latin Welterweight Tourney" Most posters here actually picked Luis Rodriguez to defeat Duran.
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