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Old 12-21-2009, 08:09 PM   #31
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Put under the spot light Marciano's 49-0 was very padded aside from the top wins, you need to drill down and look at the ranked title opposition

Marciano:

Old/Shot? Louis
Past prime Charles x2
Past Prime Walcott x2
Older Moore
Lastarza x2
Rex Layne

Not sure if they were ranked:

Harry Matthews?
****ell
Savold

Tyson's pre-loss wins over contenders:

Past Prime Holmes
Spinks - past prime?
Thomas - prime?
Prime Bruno
Smith
Williams
Biggs
Tucker
Tubbs
Berbick

1s Im unsure whether they were ranked

Tillis
Mitch Green
Ribalta
Frazier
Ferguson
Love these mentions. But no Layne?
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Old 12-21-2009, 09:22 PM   #32
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stop embarassing yourself. go watch the first bruno fight or the tucker fight. and the two brawls he had with ruddock. fought more punchers the marciano for sure. you need to do some research.
research. you need to stop the heroworship. r u kidding me. you compare 1 punch by bruno and 1 punch by tucker to the walcott and vingo and charles fight. that's pathetic! Against Douglas holyfield 2x lewis he was challenged and lost. he basically quit against danny and that big bum who ko'd him last. I repeat, he never won in a battle of attrition that took heart and tenacity to win. Your examples are a joke. The rudduck fight is the 1 time he won a tough fight.
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Old 12-21-2009, 09:28 PM   #33
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research. you need to stop the heroworship. r u kidding me. you compare 1 punch by bruno and 1 punch by tucker to the walcott and vingo and charles fight. that's pathetic! Against Douglas holyfield 2x lewis he was challenged and lost. he basically quit against danny and that big bum who ko'd him last. I repeat, he never won in a battle of attrition that took heart and tenacity to win. Your examples are a joke. The rudduck fight is the 1 time he won a tough fight.
True and the Rudduck fight was nothing near life and death
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Old 12-22-2009, 03:52 AM   #34
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The 49-0..it's the ultimate record...it's an golden sports achievement. And RockyJim is right...Tyson wasn't impervious to pain like Marciano..in my opinion, where Rocky sewed it up in as far as greatness is concerned are those two fights mentioned...the first Walcott fight and the rematch with Charles....Ezz would have won the title back..would have been the first if he were fighting anyone else but Marciano...and that was some hideous war wound, that nose, and how Marciano turned it on in the very next round...it was superhuman will that won that fight..puts him in a class above Tyson.
'Scuse all those"......"'s, it's almost like a telegram.
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Old 12-22-2009, 09:17 AM   #35
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Love these mentions. But no Layne?
Not too good at reading comprehension are you
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Old 12-22-2009, 03:40 PM   #36
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Not too good at reading comprehension are you
We all make mistakes, even me.
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Old 12-22-2009, 09:53 PM   #37
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Tyson's career starting record was 37-0. Not 36-0. Secondly, Rocky only spent a small portion of his career facing the upper tier of the division, whereas Tyson was beating ranked opponents much earlier, had more title fights, fought more men in their primes, beat athletes who were bigger, won in more destructive fashion, etc.. If we're looking at a mere statistic, then okay, Marciano's unbeaten "0" will always hold some value. But if we're looking at a resume from a depth standpoint, then Tyson has a stronger argument.
49-0 is more impressive as a record, but I do think Tyson beat better competition in his first 37 fights by a small but noticeable margin.
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Old 12-23-2009, 08:27 AM   #38
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research. you need to stop the heroworship. r u kidding me. you compare 1 punch by bruno and 1 punch by tucker to the walcott and vingo and charles fight. that's pathetic! Against Douglas holyfield 2x lewis he was challenged and lost. he basically quit against danny and that big bum who ko'd him last. I repeat, he never won in a battle of attrition that took heart and tenacity to win. Your examples are a joke. The rudduck fight is the 1 time he won a tough fight.
you're weak statement is a joke. you said tyson never beat any opponent you who fought back with power. and you're wrong. period. you're examples are have nothing to do with that. in the losses to douglas, holyfield and lewis, tyson got outclassed and outboxed. but folding up like a tent? how? he got outperformed plain and simple. you would say the same for every fighter that gets beat especailly to two guys that a re HOF fighters. then how dumb do you look by bringing up williams and mcbride when tyson was finished. is you want to worshipp your hero marciano, go ahead but you better come with better stuff
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Old 12-23-2009, 09:13 AM   #39
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Tyson NEVER IN HIS LIFE won a fight where the opponant fought back w/ power. He folded up his tent and went home. If he couldn't get the early ko he started fighting 1 punch at a time and gladly settled for the decision. The conception of tyson as this great warrior is bogus. He was the classic bully who back down EVERYTIME intestinal fortitude and tenacity was needed to win.
What a shitty mega cliched post.

So I guess Bruno and Ruddock had no power and didnt fight back...thats why neither of them rocked Tyson right?
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Old 12-23-2009, 12:17 PM   #40
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The 49-0..it's the ultimate record...it's an golden sports achievement.
Well, actually, no....

Joe Louis' 25 HW title defenses is the ultimate record.
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Old 12-23-2009, 12:20 PM   #41
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If you must micro-magnify Tyson's career, Maricano still has an edge so it doesn't even matter.
I disagree.

I think an argument can be made that Tyson beat the better opposition...
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Old 12-23-2009, 12:26 PM   #42
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Is old Holmes better than old Louis?
Yes, by a mile.

Remember, ole man Larry, after getting KO'ed by Mike, went on to hand an in-his-prime Ray Mercer his first LOSS and fought very competitively against Holyfield and McCall.

Dare I say that ole man Larry gives an in-his-prime Marciano all he can handle and maybe even beats him on points...
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Old 12-23-2009, 04:10 PM   #43
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I disagree.

I think an argument can be made that Tyson beat the better opposition...

I'm sure you could if you skim through boxing rec and completely disregard the all important element of "context. " Your posts in the "Marciano/Liston" thread are most troubling.
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Old 12-23-2009, 05:21 PM   #44
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I'm sure you could if you skim through boxing rec and completely disregard the all important element of "context. " Your posts in the "Marciano/Liston" thread are most troubling.
There no need to disregard context @ all.

There is an argument to be made, using the proper context, that Tyson has beaten the better opposition.
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Old 12-24-2009, 07:36 AM   #45
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There no need to disregard context @ all.

There is an argument to be made, using the proper context, that Tyson has beaten the better opposition.

You think Tiger Jack's KO of Walcott devalues Marciano's. You have no grasp of context and make strawman arguments. End of discussion, your not worth my time. The story of Walcott is one of the greatest and most inspiring in boxing and you are clearly ignorant of it. Educate yourself, I'm not going to do it for you. If you want to make a case for Mike, by all means do so, you don't have to debate me to express your opinion. There is always an argument to be made but I've seen nothing that would indicate you would bring a fair and interesting one to the table.

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