The only bad part about tonight. - Page 4

kg0208 · 09-30-2007, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Presscot

I'm going to come back here after Taylor destroys Pavlik and pee inside your vagina.

Well then

Zakman · 09-30-2007, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Black

Taylor's time is over. He's had his share of luck for 2 years now so if God does exist, Taylor won't get lucky this time...

It wasn't luck. It was HBO. And they would've handed Taylor ANOTHER gift decision in this fight, too - if Pavlik hadn't, thankfully, taken matters out of their hands.

Sorry HBO, no gift decisions THIS time!

Amsterdam · 09-30-2007, 01:43 AM

And look my posting mates, they are already overrating him.

KG - P4P or no?

Definitley not from my end. 2nd round told a whole new story of Pavlik's overall standing, even though he did do the job well enough. The guy's defence is atrocious, his offensive ability is pretty precise, but a bit sloppy, he's a smart fighter definitely, but he's not too quick, seems to have stamina issue's down the stretch and his footwork is limited.

Definitley not P4P level IMO.

kg0208 · 09-30-2007, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Amsterdam

And look my posting mates, they are already overrating him.

KG - P4P or no?

Definitley not from my end. 2nd round told a whole new story of Pavlik's overall standing, even though he did do the job well enough. The guy's defence is atrocious, his offensive ability is pretty precise, but a bit sloppy, he's a smart fighter definitely, but he's not too quick, seems to have stamina issue's down the stretch and his footwork is limited.

Definitley not P4P level IMO.

In this months rankings he will not enter my P4P rankings no. He is just outside. Dawson, undeservedly so to some, will be in my rankings. Pavlik will not.

Amsterdam · 09-30-2007, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kg0208

In this months rankings he will not enter my P4P rankings no. He is just outside. Dawson, undeservedly so to some, will be in my rankings. Pavlik will not.

I agree, Dawson should be just inside the top 10, now that this puts Hopkins and Wright's (current, not even bashing these guys' legacy) condition into well perspective.

I personally would place Pavlik at #12. Too many flaws for either Taylor or Pavlik to be considered P4P quality.

kg0208 · 09-30-2007, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by québecwarrior

But I do think that Pavlik can improve a couple of his flaws, if he does, he is gonna be in th top 10 in the list of a lot of people

He is gonna be on most people's lists this month anyways. Just not mine. I still think he is the 2nd best MW in the world not the first.

Fab2333 · 09-30-2007, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Amsterdam

When Pavlik KO's this joke tonight, the worst part is just HOW much he is going to be overrated by less informed boxing fans and only because the less informed bunch, which makes up the majority, is thinking it's a truly 50/50 fight and assume that Taylor is truly an A+ level fighter, which is very far from the case.

Especially if Pavlik just blows him out, then he'd be hyped to an extreme level, all the while just being a solid fighter himself with not too many special attributes.

That is all. But I still cannot wait to see Taylor destroyed.

i agree here except for ya last statement. DAmmit JT

cuchulain · 09-30-2007, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by alex-boxer42

goddamn that is one fuckable ass!

Edit-whoops

I'll second that !

cuchulain · 09-30-2007, 02:08 AM

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1punch1nder · 09-30-2007, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Assassin

No such thing as being exposed on this level

if jermain didn't gas out it would have been over in the 2nd. pavlik is slow and predictable though he hits really hard. he reminds me of gatti...

Brickhaus · 09-30-2007, 04:18 AM

The bad part about tonight is that we all have to listen to Amsterdam brag for the next month now.

No way is Pavlik top 5 P4P. Not even close.

Amsterdam · 09-30-2007, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Brickhaus

The bad part about tonight is that we all have to listen to Amsterdam brag for the next month now.

No way is Pavlik top 5 P4P. Not even close.

I'm looking for everything to be put into perspective, not self glorification. This is a big step in the right direction with Taylor getting sparked.

FiveStoneFists · 09-30-2007, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by sues2nd

How long have you been watching boxing to be so uninformed.

Former MW Champ William Joppy.
Arguably the best fighter of the past decade Bernard Hopkins.
Top 5 p4p fighter (at the time of the fight) Winky Wright.
Ultra high output, former world champion Kassim Ouma.
Awkward southpaw, former undisputed champion Cory Spinks.

Now the most dangerous puncher in the MW division.

Get that biased bullshit outta here.

Joppy = a former middleweight champion. Good fight, but already lost in brutal fashion to Trinidad and Hopkins (and to some to Eastman).
Hopkins = Good wins, but very disputed.
Wright = former champion at light middleweight (career weight), no punch even at that weight.
Ouma = former beltholder at light middleweight, a volume puncher with average power at that weight.
Spinks = former champion at welterweight, beltholder at light heavyweight with no power at 147 or 154 (already KOd at 147).

His opposition is not horrible, but not as great as some make it out to be either. Joppy had not fought in a year and is not exactly a spring chicken. Hopkins was a disputed decision twice, Taylor's most impressive wins. He then defended the undisputed middleweight title against blown up light middleweights, with Spinks being a former welterweight - not very impressive for one of the largest middleweights in recent times. Still though, Taylor is a good but not great fighter.

mattress · 09-30-2007, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Medicine

Pavlik would easily beat Calzaghe, so I'm not sure what you're going on abouit.

Are you serious??? That is a ridiculous statement. Why are there so many ill-informed idiots posting on here?

Morrissey · 10-01-2007, 07:13 AM

Haven't seen the fight yet, but damn, Pavlik proved Ams' theory about Taylor's questionable chin. The list of opponents after the B-Hop fight.

And I always thought JT can really hit hard, that is why Hopkins never engaged him in their 2 bouts. It is just that he has an average chin as well..

Thanks Pav, I have 1100 vcash now...

09-30-2007, 01:43 AM	#48
Amsterdam Boris Christoff East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 11,752 vCash: 1000	Re: The only bad part about tonight. And look my posting mates, they are already overrating him. KG - P4P or no? Definitley not from my end. 2nd round told a whole new story of Pavlik's overall standing, even though he did do the job well enough. The guy's defence is atrocious, his offensive ability is pretty precise, but a bit sloppy, he's a smart fighter definitely, but he's not too quick, seems to have stamina issue's down the stretch and his footwork is limited. Definitley not P4P level IMO.
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cuchulain P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Muirthemne Posts: 18,777 vCash: 1000	Re: The only bad part about tonight. .
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Brickhaus Packs the house East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Badlefthook.com Posts: 11,390 vCash: 75	Re: The only bad part about tonight. The bad part about tonight is that we all have to listen to Amsterdam brag for the next month now. No way is Pavlik top 5 P4P. Not even close.
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10-01-2007, 07:13 AM	#60
Morrissey Underrated ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,349 vCash: 1000	Re: The only bad part about tonight. Haven't seen the fight yet, but damn, Pavlik proved Ams' theory about Taylor's questionable chin. The list of opponents after the B-Hop fight. And I always thought JT can really hit hard, that is why Hopkins never engaged him in their 2 bouts. It is just that he has an average chin as well.. Thanks Pav, I have 1100 vcash now...
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