Rocky Marciano vs Cleveland Williams: 1960

Bill1234 · 12-25-2009, 01:58 PM

Let's say Marciano decides he's going to fight for the title in late 1960, but he's going to have a tune up fight in early 1960 to shake off some ring rust.

How do you see the fight going? Is Cleveland too quick and strong for the older ex champ, or does Marciano overcome the size difference and youth and beat Cleveland?

Dempsey1238 · 12-25-2009, 02:10 PM

I think Williams takes it, I belive Williams is too much of a talent at this point for the about 39 year old Marciano, who has been retire for about 5 years.

I dont see it going to round 4 imo.

he grant · 12-25-2009, 02:42 PM

Williams would tear his head off under those conditions ... put him against a 1952 version and it's a whole other ball of wax ...

janitor · 12-25-2009, 02:45 PM

Marciano's style is not made for longevity and age beats every champion in the end.

This would be a night when he should have been somwhere else.

Prime for prime Marciano makes the big cat into a rug.

MRBILL · 12-25-2009, 03:09 PM

By 1958 to 1962, both "Liston and Williams" were truly the best mothers out there..... Marciano was wise to step down in 1956......... By 1960, Marciano at age 37, would be hamburger against "Liston or Williams." Hell, I'd even give "Patterson & Johansson" the benefit of the doubt in 1960 over Marciano........ That's no shit........

MR.BILL

Frazier Hook · 12-25-2009, 03:15 PM

Never count out the rock!

mattdonnellon · 12-25-2009, 06:36 PM

Williams is so overated. What makes people think he is better than Patterson or Johansson for sure? Or Folley and Machen? How about Ringo and Quarry?

MRBILL · 12-25-2009, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mattdonnellon

Williams is so overated. What makes people think he is better than Patterson or Johansson for sure? Or Folley and Machen? How about Ringo and Quarry?

Cleve Williams was limited in skills, but he had conditioning and power....... And at 212 RIPPED pounds he was a big heavy for circa-1960...... He was a definite top-10 dude from '58 to '64.... Then he got shot by a copper with a .357 mag..... C.W. was good; not great.......

As for "Ringo and Quarry," well, they were the later 60s...... Marciano NEVER could've faced them dudes and had a real chance........

MR.BILL

Boxed Ears · 12-25-2009, 07:07 PM

Yeah, I would never count out Marciano but the likelihood isn't too good for him considering as soon as he retired he blew up weight-wise and went and indulged in all the ways he didn't during his career. He would have maybe Hattonized himself. Or Riddicked himself, if you will.

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Bill1234 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,628 vCash: 1000	Rocky Marciano vs Cleveland Williams: 1960 Let's say Marciano decides he's going to fight for the title in late 1960, but he's going to have a tune up fight in early 1960 to shake off some ring rust. How do you see the fight going? Is Cleveland too quick and strong for the older ex champ, or does Marciano overcome the size difference and youth and beat Cleveland?
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Dempsey1238 Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6,352 vCash: 1000	Re: Rocky Marciano vs Cleveland Williams: 1960 I think Williams takes it, I belive Williams is too much of a talent at this point for the about 39 year old Marciano, who has been retire for about 5 years. I dont see it going to round 4 imo.
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he grant Historian/Film Maker East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6,476 vCash: 1000	Re: Rocky Marciano vs Cleveland Williams: 1960 Williams would tear his head off under those conditions ... put him against a 1952 version and it's a whole other ball of wax ...
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janitor P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 19,058 vCash: 1000	Re: Rocky Marciano vs Cleveland Williams: 1960 Marciano's style is not made for longevity and age beats every champion in the end. This would be a night when he should have been somwhere else. Prime for prime Marciano makes the big cat into a rug.
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MRBILL P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 17,249 vCash: 1000	Re: Rocky Marciano vs Cleveland Williams: 1960 By 1958 to 1962, both "Liston and Williams" were truly the best mothers out there..... Marciano was wise to step down in 1956......... By 1960, Marciano at age 37, would be hamburger against "Liston or Williams." Hell, I'd even give "Patterson & Johansson" the benefit of the doubt in 1960 over Marciano........ That's no shit........ MR.BILL
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Frazier Hook Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 195 vCash: 500	Re: Rocky Marciano vs Cleveland Williams: 1960 Never count out the rock!
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mattdonnellon Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,384 vCash: 1000	Re: Rocky Marciano vs Cleveland Williams: 1960 Williams is so overated. What makes people think he is better than Patterson or Johansson for sure? Or Folley and Machen? How about Ringo and Quarry?
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Boxed Ears Lowering Post Count East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Brunoilia, Hehsland Posts: 51,296 vCash: 7500	Re: Rocky Marciano vs Cleveland Williams: 1960 Yeah, I would never count out Marciano but the likelihood isn't too good for him considering as soon as he retired he blew up weight-wise and went and indulged in all the ways he didn't during his career. He would have maybe Hattonized himself. Or Riddicked himself, if you will.
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