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Old 09-30-2007, 02:06 AM   #61
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Lrn2see.

Pavlik was working jabs as well as Taylor.
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dont matter anyways, Taylor got KTFO, I remember the 1st round was a very close round and HBO was too generous giving Pavlik rounds 4/5th round when Pavlik was just stalking but getting countering hard.
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Old 09-30-2007, 02:12 AM   #62
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Connecting jabs should be awarded more than blocked power punches

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Wow... so you are saying Taylor was out-jabbing Pavlik??? You are the one that needs to watch the fight again, because Pavlik was clearly landing the harder jabs and was connecting more.
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Old 09-30-2007, 02:14 AM   #63
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dont matter anyways, Taylor got KTFO, I remember the 1st round was a very close round and HBO was too generous giving Pavlik rounds 4/5th round when Pavlik was just stalking but getting countering hard.
He might have gotten countered, but those were like 4 or 6 punches, while Pavlik was working the whole round.
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Old 09-30-2007, 03:03 AM   #64
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bigtime,

the punchstats were awfully close. the reason why taylor edged pavlik in total punches was it? i forgot what catagory it was...

but anyway... the reason for the SLIGHT edge, was because of ROUND 2! he landed a ton of leather on pavlik in that round, therefore it boosted his overall score.

taylor was hitting pavlik with lots of clean punches BUT SO WAS PAVLIK! OTHERWISE HOW THE **** DID PAVLIK BREAK HIS OPPONENT DOWN?

your just bitter cause you are a bad analysis AND blew 3 grand. better luck next time bud.
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Old 09-30-2007, 03:08 AM   #65
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He told taylor to stop boxing and slug with pavlik. taylor should have dropped him like a bad habit 2 fights ago. how do you tell a fighter he is losing the fight when he just got done demolishing the guy in the 2nd round. taylor should have moved and boxed instead of listening to steward.

goddammit I just lost 3,000 dollars...Manny Steward you Son of a Bitch
I lost a lot of money as well! I saw Jermain Taylor outboxing Pavlik for the most part, and he should have continued that rather than brawling.

I would question Jermain's stamina at 160 pounds and possibly his heart.

But hats off to Pavlik and those who predicted a 7th round TKO/KO - you were right and I was wrong - on this occasion
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Old 09-30-2007, 04:47 AM   #66
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He told taylor to stop boxing and slug with pavlik. taylor should have dropped him like a bad habit 2 fights ago. how do you tell a fighter he is losing the fight when he just got done demolishing the guy in the 2nd round. taylor should have moved and boxed instead of listening to steward.

goddammit I just lost 3,000 dollars...Manny Steward you Son of a Bitch
You obviously know nothing about a boxer and boxing. No matter what a trainer TELLS the fighter to do, he must be able to assess whats happening to him in the ring and change his tactics accordingly. Taylor obviously is unable to that.

He does not have the ability to ever become a better fighter. No matter who trains him! Pavlik on the other hand, will improve.
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Old 09-30-2007, 04:51 AM   #67
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He told taylor to stop boxing and slug with pavlik. taylor should have dropped him like a bad habit 2 fights ago. how do you tell a fighter he is losing the fight when he just got done demolishing the guy in the 2nd round. taylor should have moved and boxed instead of listening to steward.

goddammit I just lost 3,000 dollars...Manny Steward you Son of a Bitch
Did manny ever did a GOOD thing to a fighter? Hearns?
Imo he also ****ed up wladimir, wladimir changed SOOO much since MANNY MOFO is his trainer
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Old 09-30-2007, 04:51 AM   #68
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I thikn that Manny's wanted Taylor to try to get Pavlik out of there. He likes for his vunerable fighters to take the fight to their opponent to KO them so that they don't have to take fire for 12 rounds. With Taylor's stamina, probably would have gotten KO'd late if he tried to outbox pavlik for 12 rounds. His only hope was to try to take Pavlik out.
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Old 09-30-2007, 04:59 AM   #69
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You obviously know nothing about a boxer and boxing. No matter what a trainer TELLS the fighter to do, he must be able to assess whats happening to him in the ring and change his tactics accordingly. Taylor obviously is unable to that.

He does not have the ability to ever become a better fighter. No matter who trains him! Pavlik on the other hand, will improve.
I don't completely agree with that. Now a big mistake was that low left hand. Did steward tell taylor to keep that hand up? I bet they also didn't do that in training, otherwise he would haved just did that automatically.

Let's consider that steward did tell taylor to keep that left hand up. Now if they didn't practise that for once in training camp you can't excpect it to go up all over a sudded. Your body must automatically do that.
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Old 09-30-2007, 05:59 AM   #70
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I take back my earlier statement then.

3 crooked judges, Dibella and one dumb ass ESB poster thought Taylor was winning the fight.

Happy now?
2 dumb ass ESB poster...

I had the fight 3-3 after 6, so Taylor by a point !

The fight was very close ! I disagree with Lederman on one round.

R1: Pavlik
R2: Taylor
R3: Pavlik
R4: Taylor
R5: Taylor
R6: Pavlik

Btw, the round 1-2-3 were EASY to score, the dude earlier that had Taylor winning the first round is a troll. 4-5-6 were close rounds.
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Old 09-30-2007, 06:03 AM   #71
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pavlik can think what he wants he wasn't winning that fight not by a longshot.
Pavlik won the fight, by stoppage (not much you can argue about there), so get over it.
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Old 09-30-2007, 06:33 AM   #72
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I had it 49-46 in Taylor's favour going itnto the 7th. I gave Pavlik the 4th, and a share of the 1st, and I was rooting for Pavlik.
It's was easy to see Pavliks's successes, big jabs snapping Taylor's head back etc, but anybody with an objective eye could tell that Taylor was landing the most shots.
I had a sneaking suspicion in the 3rd round that Pavlik was warming to the task and Taylor was feeling the punches more than he was showing, but we didn't really know for sure until he crumbled.
Hindsight has no place in scoring a fight, Taylor had a handy lead on the scorecards.
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Old 09-30-2007, 06:37 AM   #73
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goddammit I just lost 3,000 dollars...Manny Steward you Son of a Bitch
When will people learn to never bet on boxing?
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Old 09-30-2007, 06:40 AM   #74
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we always hear steward saying a boxer w/ great skills will always beat a one dimensional power hitting slugger. i guess this fight proves that he has to go back to his drawing board.
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Old 09-30-2007, 06:43 AM   #75
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we always hear steward saying a boxer w/ great skills will always beat a one dimensional power hitting slugger. i guess this fight proves that he has to go back to his drawing board.
It's not as if it was just the right hand that destroyed Taylor though. Some of the jabs were very effective and it was left hooks that finished him off.
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