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Old 09-30-2007, 09:36 AM   #1
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Default Larry Merchant on Hector Camacho......

"It all ended with Rosario," says HBO boxing analyst Larry Merchant, referring to Camacho's 1986 fight with Edwin Rosario. In that bout, Camacho took his first real beating (though he still won, in a controversial decision). "Rosario was a quick-handed sharpshooter, and when Camacho got hit, he found out he didn't like it. At that point, he decided to work on his personality instead of his prizefighting."
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Old 09-30-2007, 09:39 AM   #2
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you act like he lost the fight. Hector has nothing to apologize for. Edwin had a couple big rounds but didn't win the fight. edwin gets 3 rounds from me.
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Old 09-30-2007, 09:45 AM   #3
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Default Re: Larry Merchant on Hector Camacho......

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you act like he lost the fight.
What? I simply posted a comment from Larry Merchant

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Hector has nothing to apologize for.
Man, nab me a pound of what ya smoking

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Edwin had a couple big rounds but didn't win the fight. edwin gets 3 rounds from me.
This again has little to do with Merchnat's comments. Looks like someone's hiding from something

The real question is, how did Macho go post Rosario
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Old 09-30-2007, 09:52 AM   #4
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The real question is, how did Macho go post Rosario
This is it. I don't believe Camacho had his track shoes on v Rosario and I don't believe he became a track runner post Rosario.

Camacho moved but I wouldn't simply deem him a runner. I believe Camachos career has more worth than that.
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Old 09-30-2007, 09:56 AM   #5
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Achilles makes perfect sense. one fight doesn't make or break a career.
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Old 09-30-2007, 10:05 AM   #6
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This is it. I don't believe Camacho had his track shoes on v Rosario and I don't believe he became a track runner post Rosario.

Camacho moved but I wouldn't simply deem him a runner. I believe Camachos career has more worth than that.
The list of experts that cite the Rosario bout as the turning point in Camacho's career is big. I totally agree.

Nobodies saying Camacho's career isn't worth more than that.
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Old 09-30-2007, 10:12 AM   #7
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Are you two guys married or something? You sound like that.
I think you just brought me back to my senses

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Old 09-30-2007, 10:14 AM   #8
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"It all ended with Rosario," says HBO boxing analyst Larry Merchant, referring to Camacho's 1986 fight with Edwin Rosario. In that bout, Camacho took his first real beating (though he still won, in a controversial decision). "Rosario was a quick-handed sharpshooter, and when Camacho got hit, he found out he didn't like it. At that point, he decided to work on his personality instead of his prizefighting."
Merchant made that observation about Camacho not liking getting hit over three years too late.

Big, strong, undefeated counterpuncher Cubanito Perez actually exposed him in Phoenix in April 1983. Early in their match, Irleis buckled Hector with bodyshots, when he trapped Camacho in a corner. That exchange completely altered the complexion of their bout, reducing Hector to charging Perez with multiple jabs, then clinching to prevent Cubanito's counters, before the referee broke them up to intitiate the same pattern for the remainder of the bout. I don't remember Perez taking a backward step in that one.

As fast as Camacho was, Cubanito exposed him as somebody who had problems with opponents who were physically stronger than he was. He also exposed Hector as somebody who really didn't like getting pounded downstairs. Truth be told, it amazes me that Camacho went on to have as much success as he did for such a long time afterwards. I expected everybody Hector to faced immediately target his body from that point forth.

I expected Perez to blossom into an ATG after his performance but severe allergies derailed him, crippling his development, and blocking his path to championship status. Just the luck of the draw, I guess.

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Old 09-30-2007, 10:18 AM   #9
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Merchant made that observation about Camacho not liking getting hit over three years too late.

Big, strong, undefeated counterpuncher Cubanito Perez actually exposed him in Phoenix in April 1983. Early in their match, Irleis buckled Hector with bodyshots, when he trapped Camacho in a corner. That exchange completely altered the complexion of their bout, reducing Hector to charging Perez with multiple jabs, then clinching to prevent Cubanito's counters, before the referee broke them up to intitiate the same pattern for the remainder of the bout. I don't remember Perez taking a backward step in that one.

As fast as Camacho was, Cubanito exposed him as somebody who had problems with opponents who were physically stronger than he was. He also exposed Hector as somebody who really didn't like getting pounded downstairs. Truth be told, it amazes me that Camacho went on to have as much success as he did for such a long time afterwards. I expected everybody Hector to faced immediately target his body from that point forth.

I expected Perez to blossom into an ATG after his performance but severe allergies derailed him, crippling his development, and blocking his path to championship status. Just the luck of the draw, I guess.
Duo i have to hand it to you, that's one of the better posts i've ever read on here. Unfortunately i haven't actually "seen" that fight but i did read lots about it. Great post man, great post.
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Old 09-30-2007, 10:41 AM   #10
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Big, strong, undefeated counterpuncher Cubanito Perez actually exposed him in Phoenix in April 1983. Early in their match, Irleis buckled Hector with bodyshots, when he trapped Camacho in a corner. That exchange completely altered the complexion of their bout, reducing Hector to charging Perez with multiple jabs, then clinching to prevent Cubanito's counters, before the referee broke them up to intitiate the same pattern for the remainder of the bout. I don't remember Perez taking a backward step in that one.
There is no such name on Camacho's record. Although you may be reffering to Irleis Perez.
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Old 09-30-2007, 10:50 AM   #11
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There is no such name on Camacho's record. Although you may be reffering to Irleis Perez.

Back in the day he was known mostly as Cubanito.

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Old 09-30-2007, 10:50 AM   #12
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There is no such name on Camacho's record.
Wow, you HAVE aptly nicknamed yourself! Go on boxwreck.com, and look up Camacho's entry for 1983-04-03, and you will find 26-0-0 Irleis "Cubanito" Perez on his record (and vice-versa). On the record of Perez, you will indeed find "Cubanito" listed as his alias.

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Old 09-30-2007, 10:53 AM   #13
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Duo i have to hand it to you, that's one of the better posts i've ever read on here. Unfortunately i haven't actually "seen" that fight but i did read lots about it. Great post man, great post.
you haven't seen most fight you talk about either.
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you haven't seen most fight you talk about either.
Can you say that with a bit better pronunciation so i can follow your comment?
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Duo i have to hand it to you, that's one of the better posts i've ever read on here. Unfortunately i haven't actually "seen" that fight but i did read lots about it. Great post man, great post.
Thanks. It was a stunning turn around from Camacho's one round left uppercut starching of John Montes in Anchorage in his prior match. (If you recall, Hector extended his right jab over Montes's lowered head, holding his right in place so Montes couldn't get away from that lightning bolt shooting up. SRL provided commentary from ringside, and that maneuver turned Ray into a Camacho fan for life. How ironic that over 14 years later, the boxer whose tactic SRL gushed so enthusiatically about would ultimately retire Leonard himself!)
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