Larry Merchant on Hector Camacho...... - Page 2

JohnThomas1 · 09-30-2007, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Duodenum

Thanks. It was a stunning turn around from Camacho's one round left uppercut starching of John Montes in Anchorage in his prior match. (If you recall, Hector extended his right jab over Montes's lowered head, holding his right in place so Montes couldn't get away from that lightning bolt shooting up. SRL provided commentary from ringside, and that maneuver turned Ray into a Camacho fan for life. How ironic that over 14 years later, the boxer whose tactic SRL gushed so enthusiatically about would ultimately retire Leonard himself!)

Yeah, it was ironic to the point of disbelief. Who would have ever dreamed that the much lighter and less historically respected fighter would ever have been in such a position. Age can be such a very weird and indiscriminative thang.

Duodenum · 09-30-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnThomas1

Yeah, it was ironic to the point of disbelief. Who would have ever dreamed that the much lighter and less historically respected fighter would ever have been in such a position. Age can be such a very weird and indiscriminative thang.

I suppose that's one of the really great things about boxing, that truth really can be wilder than fiction.

mr. magoo · 09-30-2007, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Duodenum

Wow, you HAVE aptly nicknamed yourself! Go on boxwreck.com, and look up Camacho's entry for 1983-04-03, and you will find 26-0-0 Irleis "Cubanito" Perez on his record (and vice-versa). On the record of Perez, you will indeed find "Cubanito" listed as his alias.

Sincerely,

Deen

No problem there Duodenum,

How can I compete with one who nicknames himself after a part of the body that is partially responsible for the production of crap. I'd say there's a certain amount of accuracy and merit to this particular alias as well, wouldn't you say DEEN?

And if you read my entire post, I clearly illuded to the fact that you might have been referring to Irleis Perez, but hey why let that stop you from making a good retort?

redrooster · 09-30-2007, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnThomas1

Yeah, it was ironic to the point of disbelief. Who would have ever dreamed that the much lighter and less historically respected fighter would ever have been in such a position. Age can be such a very weird and indiscriminative thang.

that's how awesome Hector was in those days and why I, like Ray Leonard, became such a big fan of macho man. His style was also the blueprint for success for another (future) hall of famer whose name is Pernell Whitaker. Maybe you've heard of him.

redrooster · 09-30-2007, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. magoo

No problem there Duodenum,

How can I compete with one who nicknames himself after a part of the body that is partially responsible for the production of crap. I'd say there's a certain amount of accuracy and merit to this particular alias as well, wouldn't you say DEEN?

And if you read my entire post, I clearly illuded to the fact that you might have been referring to Irleis Perez, but hey why let that stop you from making a good retort?

I never knew thats what it was for. Still, Duodenum does not lie and may have a collection fight larger than myself.

mr. magoo · 09-30-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by redrooster

I never knew thats what it was for. Still, Duodenum does not lie and may have a collection fight larger than myself.

I'm not calling him a liar. Just a smart ass. And as for both your fight collections, well then good for both of you.

I prefer to jack off to porn as opposed to a grown man who marches into the ring with a gliddered robe and a tutu.

Hitman · 09-30-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. magoo

I'm not calling him a liar. Just a smart ass. And as for both your fight collections, well then good for both of you.

I prefer to jack off to porn as opposed to a grown man who marches into the ring with a gliddered robe and a tutu.

LOL!! Touche!

redrooster · 09-30-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. magoo

I'm not calling him a liar. Just a smart ass. And as for both your fight collections, well then good for both of you.

I prefer to jack off to porn as opposed to a grown man who marches into the ring with a gliddered robe and a tutu.

I think he's been low key and a major contributor to the forum.

achillesthegreat · 09-30-2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnThomas1

The list of experts that cite the Rosario bout as the turning point in Camacho's career is big. I totally agree.

Nobodies saying Camacho's career isn't worth more than that.

Yes but Camacho wasn't a track star v Rosario. He got hit and hurt but kept boxing and firing off shots.

After that fight I don't believe he became a track star. Like I hate to say it but he wasn't doing no track meet against the bigger Leonard.

Duodenum · 09-30-2007, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. magoo

I'm not calling him a liar. Just a smart ass.

I have to hand to you, Bloss Man, you're the first one who's come right out and called me on the deliberate double meaning nature of my nom de guerre.
Touche'!

Duodenum · 09-30-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. magoo

I clearly illuded to the fact that you might have been referring to Irleis Perez, but hey why let that stop you from making a good retort?

Pun intended?

JohnThomas1 · 09-30-2007, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Duodenum

I suppose that's one of the really great things about boxing, that truth really can be wilder than fiction.

You got that right. The element of surprise. Actually really enjoyed the Taylor - Pavlik fight yesty, top class little stouch.

JohnThomas1 · 09-30-2007, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by redrooster

that's how awesome Hector was in those days and why I, like Ray Leonard, became such a big fan of macho man. His style was also the blueprint for success for another (future) hall of famer whose name is Pernell Whitaker. Maybe you've heard of him.

Whitaker, yes. That's the one who beat up Hector in sparring when he was still almost an amateur.

JohnThomas1 · 09-30-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by achillesthegreat

Yes but Camacho wasn't a track star v Rosario. He got hit and hurt but kept boxing and firing off shots.

After that fight I don't believe he became a track star. Like I hate to say it but he wasn't doing no track meet against the bigger Leonard.

Given Leonard's ability on the night i don't blame him. Hector lost his eagerness for exchanging post Rosario IMO. He stood a bit with light hitting Davis at times and some lesser opposition, but against the stronger fighters he mixed it up less than before. IMO it took away some of his effectiveness. His chin stood up to some decent shots over the years and likely would have allowed him to get in with his blinding speed a bit more and outscore people in combination. IMO Rosario is the hardest hitter ever at 135, getting stunned badly by Rosario and someone else would be two different things. Camacho said he would not fight Rosario again at the time.Second half career he was criticised for not being willing to lay it on the line in order to have a chance at victory.

Street Lethal · 09-30-2007, 07:57 PM

Why is Hector Camacho being trashed by the same people who praise Ray Leonard? Both were hit-and-clinch fighters! In fact, the Leonard gameplan against Hagler in 1987 was Camacho's standard operating mode! Leonard-Hearns after 12 rounds looked exactly like Chavez-Camacho after 12. Leonard fans ought to be singing Camacho's praises everyday on here. I swear, some days I laugh my ass off at the contradictory positions that fly around this place.

This is of course a problem for Redrooster, too, because he trashes Leonard while praising Camacho. There are differences, though. Camacho fought all the time, while Leonard towards the end only fought for well-orchestrated paydays. Camacho had the better chin and a better defense. Camacho faced top-notch opponents when they were at the peak of their powers rather than waiting until they got old and shopworn (except Leonard, of course, but that was more a fact of Leonard thinking he had an easy target in Camacho).

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Street Lethal Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 494 vCash: 1000	Re: Larry Merchant on Hector Camacho...... Why is Hector Camacho being trashed by the same people who praise Ray Leonard? Both were hit-and-clinch fighters! In fact, the Leonard gameplan against Hagler in 1987 was Camacho's standard operating mode! Leonard-Hearns after 12 rounds looked exactly like Chavez-Camacho after 12. Leonard fans ought to be singing Camacho's praises everyday on here. I swear, some days I laugh my ass off at the contradictory positions that fly around this place. This is of course a problem for Redrooster, too, because he trashes Leonard while praising Camacho. There are differences, though. Camacho fought all the time, while Leonard towards the end only fought for well-orchestrated paydays. Camacho had the better chin and a better defense. Camacho faced top-notch opponents when they were at the peak of their powers rather than waiting until they got old and shopworn (except Leonard, of course, but that was more a fact of Leonard thinking he had an easy target in Camacho).
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