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Old 01-14-2010, 09:24 AM   #16
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What possible reason is there to think Ezzard Charles is overrated? I'd like the TS to explain himself. I can't work that one out at all.
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Old 01-14-2010, 09:25 AM   #17
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Ali!
neither Lewis, Tyson, Viatali or even Haye would have been in any danger of loosing to Frazier
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Old 01-14-2010, 09:27 AM   #18
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What possible reason is there to think Ezzard Charles is overrated? I'd like the TS to explain himself. I can't work that one out at all.
There is no reason, in the general mainstream boxing public charles is the most underrated fighter ever in my opinion, never mind being overrated
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Old 01-14-2010, 09:59 AM   #19
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Sorry guys, i guess you could call this a troll post. The thing is i've been reading this forum for about a year now with intentions of gaining knowledge on past fighters i wasn't alive to witness the careers of. Time and time again i see these particular fighters praised and compared with fighters post-WWII who seem to get crapped on by many classic forum posters. I was baiting with this thread and i apologise, i just wanted to see your reaction and it was more respectable than i'd imagined.

Now, in my humble, opinion of limited knowledge, i will explain why i believe these fighters to be overrated. My opinions are based on articles that have been linked from here as well as (in some cases) limited fight and training footage i've seen of these fighters.

1. Roberto Duran - Looking at his numerically impressive record i can see why he might be so highly rated, however his notable wins were against Palomino and Cuevas, who were both beyond their primes and on their way out. This type of negativity is applied to (in some cases) all the big named wins of more recent fighters, but Duran seems to be immune to it. His other defining wins? He went 2-1 with De Jesus, won a SD against Barkley and ofcourse the exceptional victory over SRL. Every other career defining fight he lost...SRLx2(he even QUIT in a sorry fashion, which would be unforgiving for any other fighter, with Duran however the excuses hold strong), Hagler, Hearns, Benitez, (the followng are excusable but still big fights - Paz, Joppy, Camacho). In my opinion what it boils down to is his one victory over the universally bagged hated more than FMJ, SRL. And his tysonesque personna(minus the black skin and hood talk) which makes people hold him in such a high regard.

2,3,4. Dempsey, Langford, Ross. Even if you dig deep there is so little credible evidence to go on, unless you are all 100 years old and completely unbiased with these fighters you grew up watching. From what film there is, they do not appear to be on the level of any heavyweight superstar from 1940 onwards. Its the shoddy film that makes them appear poor? SRR looks great on film, Pep does, Moore does, Armstrong does, Patterson does. Yes you could say their records are what makes them great, but can you seriously say that Dempsey would stand half a chance of beating Louis, Ali, Holmes, Lennox, Holyfield?? And Calzaghe has a great record, FMJ does too, but you will pick their records apart all day...these ancient fighters only ever fought prime top contenders? only lost past their prime? Sam Langford for christ sake! theres like six pieces of footage! how can you possibly know his opponents were top notch? 300+ fights is great(although he either lost or drew a third of them) but how can you even rank him so high on merely hearsay??

I've been reading your threads for a year now. I beliee this forum to be vastly more educated than the general forum, but also vastly more biased, due to a mix of nostalgia and elitism. I'm just saying.
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Old 01-14-2010, 10:03 AM   #20
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1) oscar de la hoya

2) lennox lewis
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Old 01-14-2010, 10:05 AM   #21
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Are you confusing Barney Ross with someone else, perhaps?
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Old 01-14-2010, 10:08 AM   #22
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Are you confusing Barney Ross with someone else, perhaps?
He might even be confusing four or five of his top five with someone else.
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Old 01-14-2010, 10:13 AM   #23
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Ah, the old mix of nostalgia and elitisisisitism.

Can't beat it.Hopefully we can get away from it with you here to educate us now.
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Old 01-14-2010, 11:21 AM   #24
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1. Lennox Lewis
2. Lennox Lewis
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Lennox Lewis

The only top 5 list he really deserves a spot in.
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Old 01-14-2010, 11:24 AM   #25
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Dempsey arguably but IMO no one really rates him as a top 5 heavyweight anyway.

Duran and Charles are ridiculous inclusions in an "overrated" list.
THis is exactly what i was going to say.
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Old 01-14-2010, 11:26 AM   #26
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1) oscar de la hoya

2) lennox lewis
if anything Oscar is underrated, But i do agree with Lennox Lewis Who is probably the most overrated fighter of this generation.
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Old 01-14-2010, 11:45 AM   #27
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I have to go for Ali as the most overrated.

reason: He won a lot of fights on his name alone, and the way he stole decisions was unheard of.
He spoiled, he grabbed, he hold, he ran and no ref did anything about it.
Look at the 3 Norton fights... 2 robberies and in one case the public almost destroyed the venue after they heard the decision.
The 3 Frazier fights, he lost 2 imo. And there were quite a few other fights that were close (gone either way) or the guys were robbed.

I don't say he wasn't good, but he isn't the GOAT by a long shot.
Did you really already make an entirely new account in the space of a few hours?
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Old 01-14-2010, 12:05 PM   #28
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Fighters I feel are overrated historically:

Jack Dempsey
Aaron Pryor
Julio Cesar Chavez

All 3 were very good fighters, but in my opinion don't deserve as much universal praise as they get.
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Old 01-14-2010, 12:10 PM   #29
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Ali!
neither Lewis, Tyson, Viatali or even Haye would have been in any danger of loosing to Frazier
A lot of you guys are just frickin' morons. I would love to bet on fights w/ you though.
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Old 01-14-2010, 12:22 PM   #30
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I tend to agree with Dempsey, but Ezzard Charles, Sam Langford and Barney Ross? And you say there's not enough film of Charles and Ross? There's plenty of both.

Not impressive?

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