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Old 01-14-2010, 01:10 PM   #31
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I have to go for Ali as the most overrated.

reason: He won a lot of fights on his name alone, and the way he stole decisions was unheard of.
He spoiled, he grabbed, he hold, he ran and no ref did anything about it.
Look at the 3 Norton fights... 2 robberies and in one case the public almost destroyed the venue after they heard the decision.
The 3 Frazier fights, he lost 2 imo. And there were quite a few other fights that were close (gone either way) or the guys were robbed.

I don't say he wasn't good, but he isn't the GOAT by a long shot.
Say goodbye to your credibility.
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Old 01-14-2010, 01:15 PM   #32
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Fighters I feel are overrated historically:

Jack Dempsey
Aaron Pryor
Julio Cesar Chavez

All 3 were very good fighters, but in my opinion don't deserve as much universal praise as they get.
I got Chavez 10th on my Atg list and he should be in everyones top 20, anything lower is a disrespect to a Great fighter!
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Old 01-14-2010, 01:15 PM   #33
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Say goodbye to your credibility.
you are very credible yourself picking joe louis to be the favorite to win against vitali klitschko and while nonetheless doing so by stoppage.
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Old 01-14-2010, 01:20 PM   #34
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I got Chavez 10th on my Atg list and he should be in everyones top 20, anything lower is a disrespect to a Great fighter!
You're making a good case on Chavez being overrated.
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Old 01-14-2010, 01:24 PM   #35
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Well im actually pretty tired of stating my reasons to why he should be rated so highly, Every time ive posted his resume as compared to others,everyone who has an argument ends up being a pretty weak one. He is definitly not overrated by Mexican and Mex/american fans. Although im sure many would say that they are being bias,but its not anymore bias than american fans overrating American fighters.
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Old 01-14-2010, 01:25 PM   #36
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1. Roberto Duran
2. Jack Dempsey
3. Sam Langford
4. Barney Ross
5. Ezzard Charles

who in your opinion, are the top 5 most overrated boxers of all time?
Charles and Langford arguably have the two best resumes in boxing history. And Ross is often underrated.
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Old 01-14-2010, 01:29 PM   #37
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I got Chavez 10th on my Atg list and he should be in everyones top 20, anything lower is a disrespect to a Great fighter!
langford
marciano
duran
leonard
robinson
armstrong
toney
tyson


not necessarily in this order.
also mccallum , holyfield ,ali , louis , young peter jackson , joe walcott , charles and jones must be above him.
also pacquiao , julian jackson , monzon and hagler may really be reagrded above chavez.
maybe even fitzsimmons. and (jersey) walcott and moore.
i'd definitely put tua above chavez.
and probably mccall and spinks too.

how many names till here ? and except of tua and mccall other posters here may add more names to the 'above chavez' list.
and i may just forgot some.
no , jcc not a top10 ATG.
he was beaten and given fits too many times in his weight.
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Old 01-14-2010, 01:33 PM   #38
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Roy Jones Jr

Was his reign at 175lbs anything but average? The majority of his challengers were B levels who would go on achieve absolutely nothing outside of getting in the ring with Jones. Even worse is that this supernatural, superman couldn't even get a lot of them out of there because he was to busy making fighters who had no business sharing the ring with him look bad. His Heavyweight triumph is outdone by a better Light Heavyweight in Michael Spinks, who should be remembered as the greater fighter, in my estimation. Hopkins was a far cry from the fighter he'd develop into, whereas Jones was a world class fighter fresh out of the Olympics.

Ricardo Lopez.

This ain't a dig at you Anarci, but there's quite a few posters who have him higher than Barrera and Morales whilst keeping a straight face. Barrera was decimating, destroying similar level opposition to Lopez's competition as he was dominating at 122lbs, where he made 8 defenses in the space of just over a year. Lopez had ample time to move up a division and test himself against great opposition but he made the conscious decision not too. For that he is remembered as a great talent, the greatest Minimumweight of all time, but not a top 90/100 fighter.

Juan Manuel Marquez

Again, I love Marquez. I think he was every bit as talented as a lot of people allude too, but he is an underachiever. You look at his record and his 3 divisional champion. But then you look at who he's beaten, and fighting top opposition was well overdue from his point of view. He didn't fight a world class fighter till 2003, and he still hasn't gotten that all elusive career defining victory, despite the Pacquiao controversy. I had faith he'll get another big triumph before he retires, but he lacks in resume, which is an area his Mexican peers shine.

Carlos Zarate

Another fighter I respect a lot, and I love to watch him fight. Carlos dominated a good, but not great, Bantamweight division. He had skills, a lot of power, but his resume, longevity, and ability to bounce back does not stack up to certain fighters who a lot of people, a lot of respected posters, list higher than him on a top 100.
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Old 01-14-2010, 01:37 PM   #39
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Well im actually pretty tired of stating my reasons to why he should be rated so highly, Every time ive posted his resume as compared to others,everyone who has an argument ends up being a pretty weak one. He is definitly not overrated by Mexican and Mex/american fans. Although im sure many would say that they are being bias,but its not anymore bias than american fans overrating American fighters.
Saying "anything lower than top 20 is an insult" is overrating him. Among the top 10 or 20 best that you've seen? I wouldn't argue against that, Chavez was a great fighter for sure.

It's difficult to comprehend just how many great boxers there have been over the years which is why people often throw out definite statements like "Roy Jones should be in everyone's top 10", "Hopkins is without a doubt a top 3 MW" and so on. There are surely 20 fighters and more that you could reasonably rate above Chavez.
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Old 01-14-2010, 01:39 PM   #40
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langford
marciano
duran
leonard
robinson
armstrong
toney
tyson


not necessarily in this order.
also mccallum , holyfield ,ali , louis , young peter jackson , joe walcott , charles and jones must be above him.
also pacquiao , julian jackson , monzon and hagler may really be reagrded above chavez.
maybe even fitzsimmons. and (jersey) walcott and moore.
i'd definitely put tua above chavez.
and probably mccall and spinks too.

how many names till here ? and except of tua and mccall other posters here may add more names to the 'above chavez' list.
and i may just forgot some.
no , jcc not a top10 ATG.
he was beaten and given fits too many times in his weight.


Are you by any chance related to David Tua or Oliver McCall?
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Old 01-14-2010, 01:42 PM   #41
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People always claiming Lewis is overrated really bugs me. I can't see justification for it. He beat a lot of very good opposition, every man he ever faced. As far as I can see he has a very good argument to be a top 5 Heavy.

People often count his 2 losses against him too much, even though he avenged them and many of their top fighters had much more worrying losses on their records.

The people who don't rate Lewis highly often have Tyson right up there. A man who's legendary prime ended when he was just 24! A man who lost to the best fighters he faced, except for a past it Holmes.


It makes me wonder, would people keep saying Lewis was overrated if he had a bigger personality or was American?
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Old 01-14-2010, 01:43 PM   #42
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langford
marciano
duran
leonard
robinson
armstrong
toney
tyson


not necessarily in this order.
also mccallum , holyfield ,ali , louis , young peter jackson , joe walcott , charles and jones must be above him.
also pacquiao , julian jackson , monzon and hagler may really be reagrded above chavez.
maybe even fitzsimmons. and (jersey) walcott and moore.
i'd definitely put tua above chavez.
and probably mccall and spinks too.

how many names till here ? and except of tua and mccall other posters here may add more names to the 'above chavez' list.
and i may just forgot some.
no , jcc not a top10 ATG.
he was beaten and given fits too many times in his weight.
Ive thought of putting you on my ignore list, but when it comes down to it you are a pretty hilarious poster at times
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Old 01-14-2010, 01:47 PM   #43
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here on esb, the early triple crowners Fitzsimmons, Ross and Armstrong get alot of praise here

Ray leonard the most overrated I've ever seen but I know esbers like to jump on the bandwagon with so called experts or popular opinion to make themselves look knowledgable

Louis at least had some guns and a string of defenses
Most overated? Terry [Dresden] Norris
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Are you by any chance related to David Tua or Oliver McCall?
i know you and the majority here would disagree about him , so , instead of arguing with you i will say count the names without them.
both were never stopped , both had respectable stoppage wins against top opposition .
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Old 01-14-2010, 01:52 PM   #45
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Saying "anything lower than top 20 is an insult" is overrating him. Among the top 10 or 20 best that you've seen? I wouldn't argue against that, Chavez was a great fighter for sure.

It's difficult to comprehend just how many great boxers there have been over the years which is why people often throw out definite statements like "Roy Jones should be in everyone's top 10", "Hopkins is without a doubt a top 3 MW" and so on. There are surely 20 fighters and more that you could reasonably rate above Chavez.
No i have seen most fighters that there are footage on believe this im not a newbie to boxing and I am very well aware of how many greats there have been throughout the years. I dont believe that Jones is top 10 all time maybe Hth at Sm and M but he is probably between 15-20 on my All time list. I think Hopkins is a top 5 Mw and you can even make an argument for top 3 mw. I have a lot of respect for the old timers have seen footage or full fights on most of them and They built great resumes. However as ive stated many times on here many on this forum tend to underrate the Modern day fighters. Dont get me wrong im not overrating modern day fighters like the Posters on the General forum do but im not underrating them either like many on the classic do.
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