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Old 01-21-2010, 07:55 AM   #16
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McClellan has a serious chance at anyone in this era Johnson, Jeffries, Langford, McVey, Jeanette, although the first 3 I'd make favourates. He would certainly dominate the MW scene of the day without a shadow of a doubt though.

Bare in mind though GMAN was a boiled down Cruser, so would weigh a solid 180-190 for HW fights and was a rangy 6'0, that doesnt make him a small HW in the 1900 era. He has amazing power, speed, and technical skills, which would give him a big advantage in this era. His jab and right hand would make a stand out. I'd rate his punching ability over Fitz, so if Fitz's power carried to HW, GMANs certainly will.
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Old 01-21-2010, 08:01 AM   #17
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When you look at the last posts od Seamus when it comes to the fighters of the beginnind of tha last century than you know he just wants to stir **** up. I just play by his rules.

But honestly, McClellan would be out of his depth here due to his style not beeing suited to the rules of this time. He would be at a huge disadvantage. All of those guys mentioned where the best of their time. McClellan wasnīt even the best of his time. And now he would go against those guys under their rules and quite above his own weight? Sorry, canīt see it.
The thing is boxing has developed and technically improved, McClellan has skills that give him an advantage in this weaker era. McClellans key weakness is his inside game and inside defense, but there werent too many inside/mid range high octane fighters in this era, bar Langford who was probably all wrong for the GMAN.

And McClellan certainly was 1 of the best of his era, as was Benn, and they competed in the best MW era in history
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Old 01-21-2010, 08:03 AM   #18
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And McClellan certainly was 1 of the best of his era, as was Benn, and they competed in the best MW era in history
No they didnt.
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Old 01-21-2010, 08:07 AM   #19
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listen forget the heavyweight match-ups ketchel vs G-man could rival the excitement of hagler vs hearns and in those days a rematch within 8 weeks would be a cert
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Old 01-21-2010, 08:08 AM   #20
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The thing is boxing has developed and technically improved, McClellan has skills that give him an advantage in this weaker era. McClellans key weakness is his inside game and inside defense, but there werent too many inside/mid range high octane fighters in this era, bar Langford who was probably all wrong for the GMAN.
No, it did not. It was just adepted to the changing rules. McCleellans style was suited for the rules of today but not for the rules back then other than the styles of fighters he would be up to. Their styles were perfect for the rules of their time. McClellans were perfect for the rules of his. If he would have fought under the rules of 1900s his style wouldnīt fit there, he would make many mistakes and be picked apart for it.

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And McClellan certainly was 1 of the best of his era, as was Benn, and they competed in the best MW era in history
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The thing is boxing has developed and technically improved, McClellan has skills that give him an advantage in this weaker era. McClellans key weakness is his inside game and inside defense, but there werent too many inside/mid range high octane fighters in this era, bar Langford who was probably all wrong for the GMAN.

And McClellan certainly was 1 of the best of his era, as was Benn, and they competed in the best MW era in history
What because they were all black?
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Old 01-21-2010, 10:30 AM   #22
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Tommy Burns would've sparked him.
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Old 01-21-2010, 11:02 AM   #23
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Look how Benn beat him, by taking his shots and applying pressure. Imagine what a 220 pound prime granite jawed bigger punching Jeffries would do to him?

The first time McClennan went beyond 6 rounds you saw what happened. McClennan would not beat the Johnson who fought Jeffries, so we can write off McClennan's chances v Jeffries and Johnson.

Could he beat Langford? No. Langford hit harder than Benn, and was stronger than Benn and could apply the pressure like Benn.

Gerald was not known for his stamina, which these men are, who fought in much tougher era. Gerald was a one punch first round KO artist. He would probably gas against these guys if it possibly went beyond 6.
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Old 01-21-2010, 11:11 AM   #24
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Look how Benn beat him, by taking his shots and applying pressure. Imagine what a 220 pound prime granite jawed bigger punching Jeffries would do to him?

The first time McClennan went beyond 6 rounds you saw what happened. McClennan would not beat the Johnson who fought Jeffries, so we can write off McClennan's chances v Jeffries and Johnson.

Could he beat Langford? No. Langford hit harder than Benn, and was stronger than Benn and could apply the pressure like Benn.

Gerald was not known for his stamina, which these men are, who fought in much tougher era. Gerald was a one punch first round KO artist. He would probably gas against these guys if it possibly went beyond 6.
jeffries would have beaten him bad , yes. but most of the heavies then were not heavies , they were middleweights and supermiddleweights by today's standrads. and i think mcclellan could have given langford problems.
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Old 01-21-2010, 01:55 PM   #25
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It seems once a few got beyond the name calling here, there has been some decent input, some debate... not just wistful remembrances of things past...

troll, my ass.
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Old 01-21-2010, 02:24 PM   #26
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Could have ended up being a tragedy like Luther McCarthy. Not meant in an offensive way but McClellan was a ticking timebomb after the Jackson brawl it seems and in the early 1900's they certainly didn't have the kind of health precautions that they do now.

If you take a non-weight drained 180-190 lbs McClellan at his peak and put him against a Jack Johnson or someone inferior, he could potentially do very well with his speed and explosiveness but if the fight went past the first couple of rounds he would be in big trouble. The likes of Johnson, Jeffries could simply just clinch him and wear him down.
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Old 01-21-2010, 02:36 PM   #27
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What because they were all black?
Yea nothing to do with the fact you have fighters around like Jones, Toney, Hopkins, McClellan, Nunn, Benn, Eubank, Graham, Kalambay, Collins, McCallum, Watson, Barkley, Reggie johnson. Amongst others, the era is insanely stacked

No MW era comes close to that era by a long shot other than the perhaps early 40s
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Old 01-21-2010, 02:39 PM   #28
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No, it did not. It was just adepted to the changing rules. McCleellans style was suited for the rules of today but not for the rules back then other than the styles of fighters he would be up to. Their styles were perfect for the rules of their time. McClellans were perfect for the rules of his. If he would have fought under the rules of 1900s his style wouldnīt fit there, he would make many mistakes and be picked apart for it.

No.

It has nothing to do with the rules of the time. Was it the rules of the time to not use the jab, not use lateral movement, not block punches, not properly turn the punch over and not to throw combinations?
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Old 01-21-2010, 05:32 PM   #29
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It has nothing to do with the rules of the time. Was it the rules of the time to not use the jab, not use lateral movement, not block punches, not properly turn the punch over and not to throw combinations?
That just is so wrong

Johnson did all of these things for example, you just need to watch the first 10-12 rounds of his fight against Willard and you see plenty of this.
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Lets start with McClellan's options.

In order to fight at middleweight he would have to make 158lbs or 160lbs depending on the state. If he cannot do this then he is basicaly a heavyweight. He would typicaly have to make this weight for a 24 hour weigh in, but there might be ways round it for certain key fights.

There have always been fighters who have gone to ridiculous lengths to make weight, but even if McClellan could do it in this era, he would soon tire of the proceedure and step up to heavyweight.

This era was prety unforgiving for any fighter who weighed 161lbs, because once you passed that critical mark, you could get thrown in with sombody who weighed 230lbs, and there were pleanty around even then. Some miniture heavyweights like Bob Fitzsimmons, Joe Choynski, and Frank Childs made necesity the mother of invention and found ways to defeat the bigger heavyweights, but I bet that manny more simply got rolled over.

How many of the 160-170lb heavyweights who had success in this era were not absolutely murderous hitters?

I suspect that there were many more who simply didn't have the physical tools and just became cannon fodder.
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