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Old 01-21-2010, 12:13 PM   #31
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Povetkin, Chagaev a couple years ago, Chambers right now... those come to mind.
As you said "Povetkin, Chagaev a couple of years ago". Chambers? Let us see him beating a few more top guys first.

But if we are going to talk about fighters from the recent past with good skill and also adaptability, I think we should really mention Sultan Ibragimov. Funny, how everyone seems to have forgotten him.
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Old 01-21-2010, 01:22 PM   #32
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And play the guitar.
His sister wasn't bad either,at singing I mean.
Who was Sonny's sister? I've read of BB King being related to Liston variously as half-brother or nephew.
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Old 01-21-2010, 01:29 PM   #33
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Who was Sonny's sister? I've read of BB King being related to Liston variously as half-brother or nephew.
I think mcvey meant Ernie Terrell's sister, who is Jean Terrell.

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Old 01-21-2010, 01:39 PM   #34
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Hmmm...I never knew how musical the Terrells were.

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Old 01-21-2010, 03:00 PM   #35
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Hmmm...I never knew how musical the Terrells were.

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Old 03-14-2010, 01:57 PM   #36
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Terrel kind of looks like Holyfield.
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Old 03-14-2010, 02:36 PM   #37
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Nice footage and interesting to know that Ernie was a sparring partner for Liston.
Thanks for posting.
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Old 03-14-2010, 03:36 PM   #38
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If Ali had never been born this pair might have met in anger.
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Old 03-14-2010, 04:48 PM   #39
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Awesome footage. It's cool to see Liston against someone who has a significant height advantage.

Terrell is very under rated too. One of Ali's best wins and it's Ali's most impressive performance imo
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Old 03-14-2010, 05:36 PM   #40
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Gee, I'd like to see mcvey and seamus go at it over ten, minus the $2 dolla words of course.
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Old 03-14-2010, 05:48 PM   #41
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Gee, I'd like to see mcvey and seamus go at it over ten, minus the $2 dolla words of course.
I have had an apostasy.

Ernie Terrell is the greatest exponent of the fistic arts in the 20th century.
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Old 03-15-2010, 07:10 AM   #42
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Terrell was actually a good fighter, obviously.
I dont like the way he fights or think he was great either.
But I'm not any more impressed with the likes of Povetkin or Chambers either, nevermind Chagaev (who's claim to fame is beating Valuev who will go down as an indictment of this era !). Areola jiggling around the ring. They bore me, and display few attractive techniques. That's not to say they aren't good fighters though.

Personally I often prefer watching the old American style fighters rather than these Europeans and modern heavyweights who have no head movement, dont slip or parry, just stand square-on but out-of-range with a peek-a-boo and attack sparingly. I dont like that style, but that's the style. I cannot deny that they do have effective fighting skills, they must have something, but I just prefer to watch the techniques that are less common with today's breed of heavyweights. It's not about nostalgia because someone might come along who's real attractive to watch, and styles make fights. Chambers and Klitschko might put on a blinder for all I know, anything can happen.

It's stupid to say "the whole era has no skills", "they fight like amateurs", whether talking about NOW or THEN.
It's just dumb to say a whole field of top heavyweights couldn't fight. We can be critics, but some people here take it to an absurd extreme.

Anyway, great footage of Liston-Terrell.
Liston showed great ability to slip and duck Terrells quick flicking jabs.
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Old 03-15-2010, 07:38 AM   #43
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Thanks for the exhibition footage; hadn't seen it before yet. I think they're very much taking it easy though, because they look awfully slow.

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Personally I often prefer watching the old American style fighters rather than these Europeans and modern heavyweights who have no head movement, dont slip or parry, just stand square-on but out-of-range with a peek-a-boo and attack sparingly.
Have you seen Chagaev fight? He slips and ducks all the time. Povetkin, ,Haye, Ibragimov, Chambers and Byrd do so too. I agree that in general it's less common, but said fighters use it a lot still. The Klitschko's rarely do it for the simple reason that they don't have to. That might paint a distorted picture though, because they've been the face of the division for almost a decade now.


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As you said "Povetkin, Chagaev a couple of years ago". Chambers? Let us see him beating a few more top guys first.

But if we are going to talk about fighters from the recent past with good skill and also adaptability, I think we should really mention Sultan Ibragimov. Funny, how everyone seems to have forgotten him.
It's a shame, he was quite good, but blew his entire career with one abysmal performance against the best around.
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Old 03-15-2010, 08:06 AM   #44
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Have you seen Chagaev fight? He slips and ducks all the time. Povetkin, ,Haye, Ibragimov, Chambers and Byrd do so too. I agree that in general it's less common, but said fighters use it a lot still. The Klitschko's rarely do it for the simple reason that they don't have to. That might paint a distorted picture though, because they've been the face of the division for almost a decade now.
Chagaev doesn't slip and duck enough for my liking. There's a lot of peek-a-boo, blocking, backing off out of range, come straight in. It's all well-time though, admittedly.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP5L5zsrdn8&feature=related[/ame]

Povetkin is basically the same. Ibragimov isn't that much different either. They are solid professionals though so I'm not by any means saying they dont have use those basic techniques, they just utilize a style with less focus on those things. Haye's got a good style, but he's looking to leap in with power shots a lot, he's fast and talented and powerful. He can be slick when he's not attacking, but he's a bit open when he is. I'd like to see him against better opponents where he might display more craft.
Chambers slips punches well sometimes.

Parrying techniques are far less commonly seen nowadays, but maybe that's something to do with the modern gloves.

Of course I'm talking in generalities.
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Old 03-15-2010, 09:08 AM   #45
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Fair enough.

For entertainment value: on David Haye, a perfect example of ducking and countering at 5:09:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrnjuQY9rek[/ame]




Hell, even Samuel Peter made a nice slip-and-counter move last weekend. Watch at 6:51:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mogunJh1_cE[/ame]

His opponent is no more than a gatekeeper of course, but that jab he countered wasn't slow or technically lacking.
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