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View Poll Results: Harry Greb vs. Joe Calzaghe
Harry Greb 15 48.39%
Joe Calzaghe 16 51.61%
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Old 10-02-2007, 06:06 PM   #16
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I doubt either of them wins this fight by ko, i rate greb but if calzaghe can beat kessler i give him a much better chance than alot of you against greb, i still favour greb but joe is a very good boxer.
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Old 10-02-2007, 06:43 PM   #17
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Do you guys actually believe that boxing is the ONLY sport known to man not to improve with time? Its not like sprinting or such where there is an obvious number that is changing with time, but its pretty rediculous to suggest that head to head without the benefit of modern techniques of both fighting and training someone from the stone age of boxing would defeat a modern fighter at a roughly similar level.

If you got someone who was an ATG of the past and gave them modern nutrition, technique and conditioning training they would very likely be just as dominant as they were in their own time. However, suggesting you could just pick up an old time fighter, then drop them into the modern era and expect them to win is just naive.
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Old 10-02-2007, 07:01 PM   #18
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Do you guys actually believe that boxing is the ONLY sport known to man not to improve with time?
There are some that haven't, and boxing may be one of them. But we needn't even go that far. Boxing has simply not improved rapidly enough to justify the idea that Calzaghe--barely a P4P top 10 fighter in today's era--beats the absolute best of the 1920's.

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Its not like sprinting or such where there is an obvious number that is changing with time, but its pretty rediculous to suggest that head to head without the benefit of modern techniques of both fighting and training someone from the stone age of boxing would defeat a modern fighter at a roughly similar level.
There aren't really any modern boxing techniques that are a great advance from the 1920's. Dempsey's "Championship Fighting" is still considered the seminal book of boxing theory, and it's drawn from 1920's boxing skills by a 1920's boxing champion.

It's as if (to use another track and field analogy) the "scissors" high jump from the 1890's was never improved upon.

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If you got someone who was an ATG of the past and gave them modern nutrition, technique and conditioning training they would very likely be just as dominant as they were in their own time. However, suggesting you could just pick up an old time fighter, then drop them into the modern era and expect them to win is just naive.
Well, the rules would also tend to make for differences, just like they do in T&F. But that's another story.
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Old 10-02-2007, 07:04 PM   #19
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If calzaghe beats kessler he is easily a top 5 p4p fighter as the ratings stand.
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If calzaghe beats kessler he is easily a top 5 p4p fighter as the ratings stand.
Yes, but he hasn't done so yet. Nor do I think he will.
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Old 10-02-2007, 07:07 PM   #21
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Greb Unan Points over 28 rounds..
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Old 10-02-2007, 07:09 PM   #22
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We will just have to wait and see but i think he beats kessler and regains his top 5 p4p place.
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Old 10-02-2007, 07:10 PM   #23
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BORKED

Here is an indication of Greb's style, this primitive display transferred into a more aggressive fighting form would have done a number on an old timer like Tunney.

Sadly, no matter how much you turn this into an in ring style, it would not work on Calzaghe, because it's ridiculous in comparison. Anyway, no modern fighter 'spars' by playing patty cake.

Calzaghe tko 1.
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BORKED

Here is an indication of Greb's style, this primitive display transferred into a more aggressive fighting form would have done a number on an old timer like Tunney.

Sadly, no matter how much you turn this into an in ring style, it would not work on Calzaghe, because it's ridiculous in comparison.

Calzaghe tko 1.
1) Boxing manuals from the 20's and 30's are still valid today. Not just the general theory guidelines, but specific recommendations.

2) All of Greb's opponents were conversant with these principles.

3) Greb beat them.



How do you explain this?
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Old 10-02-2007, 07:16 PM   #25
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1) Boxing manuals from the 20's and 30's are still valid today. Not just the general theory guidelines, but specific recommendations.

2) All of Greb's opponents were conversant with these principles.

3) Greb beat them.



How do you explain this?
Evolution. Football is the same basic principle also, the players today are much better, world football that is, I know nothing about gridiron.

Tunney and Dempsey were simply awful. Even when you take into consideration the issue's with old film, you can still get the basics of what is going on. You have to watch that 'sparring' video and understand exactly what is going on.
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Old 10-02-2007, 07:18 PM   #26
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Here's a match I know you will love Amsterdam

Harry Greb vs. Jermain Taylor
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Old 10-02-2007, 07:20 PM   #27
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Here's a match I know you will love Amsterdam

Harry Greb vs. Jermain Taylor
Painfully, I pick Taylor TKO 1.
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Old 10-02-2007, 07:22 PM   #28
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1) Boxing manuals from the 20's and 30's are still valid today. Not just the general theory guidelines, but specific recommendations.
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CT, you want me to get someone to try the the stance and guard - up on their toes, straight up, low hands?
There are some rather dubious recommendation in those manuals. Although I am going on achilles word here, as I can't see the books myself.
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Old 10-02-2007, 07:22 PM   #29
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All this Greb shit is pretty retarded. Its like its some geekdom badge amongst boxing fans: If you talk about him then its obvious proof that you know loads about boxing...

You cannot talk about how good a boxer was when there is no footage of him in an actual fight. You cant compare someone from a totally different era against a modern fighter. ITs just retarded.
Exactly. There is no way I would vote for either man as I have not seen Greb fight.
And the problem with most boxing fans is that they fall into one of two equally retarded camps.

Camp 1: New is best. Basically no fighter from more than 20 years ago stands a chance against todays fighters, even though we have seen the likes of a fat, old George Foreman come and KO a top ranked heavy for the world title etc, we still have people who think that Joe Louis has no chance against Wlad because he gives away size.

Camp 2: Saying old makes you wise. This camp is perhaps even more retarded, they pick the likes of John Sullivan in their all time top ten heavys based off a few written reports of what a fighter he was and they will constantly talk about fighters as the best when the footage available is around 8 seconds of grainy, jittery crap.
These guys talk about obscure fighters from 1846 who would have destroyed PBF etc...

The fact is that some of yesterdays greats would be forces for sure, but as with most sports there is a progression and plenty of guys like Jack Johnson would simply be destroyed in the modern era. And that is based on footage, opposition and results plus simple athletic progression.

What would happen with Greb and Calzaghe is anyones guess, but from what I have read Greb made any complaints about todays dirty fighters sound ridiculous.
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Old 10-02-2007, 07:45 PM   #30
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You cannot gleam a fighter's true ability from a sparring session!

Muhammad Ali, at times, looked bad in sparring, yet we know that
in real fights he got the job done.

Greb beat a large number of GREAT fighters, so this short sparring session of Greb with a middle-aged former champion is no real
indication of his true fighting ability.

Greb would, in my estimation, overwhelm Calzaghe and win an
easy 15 round decision.

BTW, Why do fans think that Calzaghe is so special???

Marvin Hagler and Carlos Monzon would have taken Calzaghe
apart!!!

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