The OFFICIAL Whats the point!!!!!! Match ups thread..... 2010

[LHL]

Originally Posted by ollyc

Murat relinquished the EBU super-middle title.
He's never fought for the light-heavy version.

My bad mate seems he is already got himself a WBO intercont.... one of them straps that gets you a top 10 ranking

Also the fights BB has mentioned the Walsh fight is the only one i would say is acceptable

[brown bomber]

Originally Posted by hagman1989

pintless then they i watched differant fights

they were either learning fights or stay sharp fights either way they wernt pointless

again some of them were far too competative to be labbled pointless

... Please read through the thread and here you will find all the information you need regarding my opinion on the matter. All the best.

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[hagman1989]

Originally Posted by brown bomber

... Please read through the thread and here you will find all the information you need regarding my opinion on the matter. All the best.

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fair play this made me laugh but your still wrong

[brown bomber]

No i'm not... but good night anyway

[pauluscanary]

I do think it's difficult to call any young fighter's fights pointless. They're still learning their trade and when you look at a fighters first ten fights or so you won't generally look out for any big names. While sparring obviously teaches you a lot perhaps it's not such a bad experience to basically do the same thing in front of thousands of people getting on your back if you're not doing well. That said, for Walsh to still be fighting journeymen in his 7th fight raises some eyebrows.

Mitchell and Cleverly were obviously up against inferior opponents tonight, but both were a stepping stone onto bigger things. However, we shouldn't take anything away from them as it's their promoter that chooses their fights. And for some fighters it's difficult to build up any motivation against weaker opponents. But both fighters put on a good show and fought as if it were the toughest fight of their careers.

As you've already said though, an entertaining night of boxing and great to have it on a Saturday night again.

[royalt0208]

Originally Posted by brown bomber

Title aside... why was it a good match up? What did Cleveley prove?

Well maybe not a whole lot but in the wider context of his career it is another step forward and another decent win on his notch. Brancalion shouldn't have been co-challenger (makes a bit of a mockery of the EBU) but he is vastly experienced and teek tough the only reason Nathan made it look so easy was because he worked out the Italians weekness and exposed it superbly, the first couples of rounds were close and competitive. And in my book it's definately not worthy of going onto whats the point match up hall of shame.

[royalt0208]

Originally Posted by pauluscanary

I do think it's difficult to call any young fighter's fights pointless. They're still learning their trade and when you look at a fighters first ten fights or so you won't generally look out for any big names. While sparring obviously teaches you a lot perhaps it's not such a bad experience to basically do the same thing in front of thousands of people getting on your back if you're not doing well. That said, for Walsh to still be fighting journeymen in his 7th fight raises some eyebrows.

Mitchell and Cleverly were obviously up against inferior opponents tonight, but both were a stepping stone onto bigger things. However, we shouldn't take anything away from them as it's their promoter that chooses their fights. And for some fighters it's difficult to build up any motivation against weaker opponents. But both fighters put on a good show and fought as if it were the toughest fight of their careers.

As you've already said though, an entertaining night of boxing and great to have it on a Saturday night again.

Spot on

[ollyc]

Originally Posted by skel1983

How the **** is it irrelevant??

Cox has/will learn alot from this experience of tonights fight alot more than hsi past few fights, he and his team will go back and see some flaws and see where he can improve, I dont see how a fight like this is pointless for a 13 fight pro who is getting 8 rounds under his belt??

IMO this has been just what Cox needed, I think he has been believing his hype a little bit to much in his last few fights and calling the likes of Kell Brook can be put on hold for a while after this a very good fight for me and one which will benefit him loads for the future.

The fight was a massive waste of time.
I doubt he'll learn anything from this fight - he's looked poor for a while & this regression seems to have continued.
It's seems blowing Jason Rushton out in a round has convinced him he's some kind of kayo merchant, when at best he carries a respectable dig.
However to suggest the Brancalion fight was a waste of time is a bit bizarre.
The title has value even if the opponent is substandard.

[brown bomber]

Originally Posted by pauluscanary

I do think it's difficult to call any young fighter's fights pointless. They're still learning their trade and when you look at a fighters first ten fights or so you won't generally look out for any big names. While sparring obviously teaches you a lot perhaps it's not such a bad experience to basically do the same thing in front of thousands of people getting on your back if you're not doing well. That said, for Walsh to still be fighting journeymen in his 7th fight raises some eyebrows.

Mitchell and Cleverly were obviously up against inferior opponents tonight, but both were a stepping stone onto bigger things. However, we shouldn't take anything away from them as it's their promoter that chooses their fights. And for some fighters it's difficult to build up any motivation against weaker opponents. But both fighters put on a good show and fought as if it were the toughest fight of their careers.

As you've already said though, an entertaining night of boxing and great to have it on a Saturday night again.

Appreciate the thoughtful reply, please read earlier in my thread for my views. I agree that subsequently some of the matches became testing and thus learning fights, but this is by accident more then anything! Put it this way one sided fights can be 'good' matches and competitive fights can be 'bad' matches. If beforehand a fighter stands to gain little kudos at the conclusion regardless of the outcome then its a bad match.

Gavin beating the likes of McDonagh and Saville is good matching regardless of his perfomances during the bouts...

Gavin fighting a eurobum/ afrobum we've never heard of is a bad match. I don't want to have my first viewing of a foreign fighter against a 'hot' prospect....

In hindsight watching Cox's opponent against some other prospect now becomes a reasonably good match but only because he has established his credentials in a fight where Cox had nothing to gain.

[brown bomber]

Originally Posted by royalt0208

Well maybe not a whole lot but in the wider context of his career it is another step forward and another decent win on his notch. Brancalion shouldn't have been co-challenger (makes a bit of a mockery of the EBU) but he is vastly experienced and teek tough the only reason Nathan made it look so easy was because he worked out the Italians weekness and exposed it superbly, the first couples of rounds were close and competitive. And in my book it's definately not worthy of going onto whats the point match up hall of shame.

Please see my post above, again thanks for the decent reply and I can see your point but don;t agree.

[brown bomber]

Originally Posted by ollyc

The fight was a massive waste of time.
I doubt he'll learn anything from this fight - he's looked poor for a while & this regression seems to have continued.
It's seems blowing Jason Rushton out in a round has convinced him he's some kind of kayo merchant, when at best he carries a respectable dig.
However to suggest the Brancalion fight was a waste of time is a bit bizarre.
The title has value even if the opponent is substandard.

ok I see your point.... picking up the title has a point obviously... but the fighter he beat was retired after a 120 second loss. Thus the match and the title aren't that impressive. His win over Quigley holds more weight for me olly

[ollyc]

Originally Posted by brown bomber

ok I see your point.... picking up the title has a point obviously... but the fighter he beat was retired after a 120 second loss. Thus the match and the title aren't that impressive. His win over Quigley holds more weight for me olly

I agree that this isn't his most impressive win.
For me that would be the Oakey victory (even taking into consideration that Oakey took the fight on short notice).
The question I ask is who should he have fought if he didn't fight for the European title at this stage of his career?
The truth is he shouldn't fight any more British opponents until Bellew reaches his level of competition (which isn't to long hopefully); he's already cleaned out the domestic scene: Oakey, Fry, McIntosh & Boyle.
I'd have preferred it if he had a better co-challenger for the title, but for once that isn't ******'s fault.
Next time out i'd like to see him fight Murat as you suggested, but I doubt this'll happen considering Murat's the WBO's number 2 challenger for the light heavy title. (Hopkins is number 1, and Braehmer's going to jail, so I reckon Murat-Erdei will tkae place for the vacant title).

[royalt0208]

How about most of Top Ranks early card.
Matt Korobov-Lamar Harris. Why is a former amateur star facing such poor opposition I thought he was going to be fastracked.
And Jose Benavidez he finished his opponent (0-2) in 1.