Boxing  

Forum Home Boxing Forum European British Classic Aussie MMA Training
Go Back   Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > Classic Boxing Forum


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 01-25-2010, 06:53 PM   #1
mattdonnellon
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,648
vCash: 1000
Default Top 15 atg Hw's is easy but try rate these!

Tunney
Sharkey
Schmeling
Walcott
Charles
Patterson

I find this DAMN hard. Experts needed.
mattdonnellon is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 01-25-2010, 07:00 PM   #2
Russell
Undisputed Champion
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 13,078
vCash: 75
Default Re: Top 15 atg Hw's is easy but try rate these!

Yeah, that isn't easy to say the least.
Russell is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2010, 07:23 PM   #3
mattdonnellon
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,648
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Top 15 atg Hw's is easy but try rate these!

I lean towards a peak Sharkey at the moment but at different times in the last 35 years I think I have rated all of these guys number one. I think we can go nH2H on this one but resumee opinions are equally valid.
It's not a thread for B/shitters, you have to know your stuff on this one.
mattdonnellon is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2010, 07:41 PM   #4
Maxmomer
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,690
vCash: 619
Default Re: Top 15 atg Hw's is easy but try rate these!

That's tough, they're all in the same 2nd tier of HW greats for me.

Patterson
Schmeling
Walcott
Charles
Tunney
Sharkey
Maxmomer is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2010, 07:53 PM   #5
mattdonnellon
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,648
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Top 15 atg Hw's is easy but try rate these!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxmomer View Post
That's tough, they're all in the same 2nd tier of HW greats for me.

Patterson
Schmeling
Walcott
Charles
Tunney
Sharkey
Max, damn it your's nearly are the inverse of my opinions but why Patterson?
Do you think his agressive speed takes the lot? Or would Tunney figure him out and outbox him? Or Schmeling Johansson him? Would Walcott be too slick and Charles just too damn good allround? And I think a peak Sharkey beats the lot-I mean I can see everyone beating anyone in this. Somebody convince ,i'm open to it.
mattdonnellon is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2010, 08:15 PM   #6
Maxmomer
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,690
vCash: 619
Default Re: Top 15 atg Hw's is easy but try rate these!

Quote:
Originally Posted by mattdonnellon View Post
Max, damn it your's nearly are the inverse of my opinions but why Patterson?
Do you think his agressive speed takes the lot? Or would Tunney figure him out and outbox him? Or Schmeling Johansson him? Would Walcott be too slick and Charles just too damn good allround? And I think a peak Sharkey beats the lot-I mean I can see everyone beating anyone in this. Somebody convince ,i'm open to it.
Well, like you said, I can see everyone beating everyone else in this so the list is very fickle. I don't think anyone on the list has the power to really bomb Patterson out, so his greatest weakness, chin, isn't that big of an issue. I think he had a mix of skill, speed, explosiveness, power and defense that makes me hesitant make anyone the solid favorite over him. Now that I think about it my list is probably going to be something like ...

Patterson
Tunney
Walcott
Schmeling
Charles
Sharkey

I think Sharkey is too likely to lose his head against some of these guys, which is why I have him placed last, his mental fortitude is too much of a liability. Tunney is number two simply because of his overall excellence, his consistency (out of everyone here, Tunney is the only guy that doesn't have losses peppered all over his record) and because of how good he looks on film at HW in his last three fights. Walcott is third because his tricky, awkward style would give anybody problems. Schmeling was tough, clever and, in my opinion, the hardest puncher of the bunch. Charles was great, but I don't think he was at his best at heavyweight. Really, though, outside of one or two, every fight that could be made between any of these guys I would make the odds very close.

Last edited by Maxmomer; 01-25-2010 at 09:54 PM.
Maxmomer is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2010, 08:26 PM   #7
mattdonnellon
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,648
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Top 15 atg Hw's is easy but try rate these!

[quote=Maxmomer;5982418]Well, like you said, I can see everyone beating everyone else in this so the list is very fickle. I don't think anyone on the list has the power to really bomb Patterson out, so his greatest weakness, chin, isn't that big of an issue. I think he had a mix of skill, speed, explosiveness, power and defense that makes me hesitant make anyone the solid favorite over him. Now that I think about it my list is probably going to be something like ...

Patterson
Tunney
Walcott
Schmeling
Charles
Sharkey
I think Sharkey is too likely to lose his head against some of these guys, which is why I have him placed last. Tunney is number two simply because of his overall excellence, his consistency (out of everyone here, Tunney is the only guy that doesn't have losses peppered all over his record) and because of how good he looks on film at HW in his last three fights. Walcott is third because his tricky, awkward style would give anybody problems. Schmeling was tough, clever and, in my opinion, the hardest puncher of the bunch. Charles was great, but I don't think he was at his best at heavyweight. Really, though, outside of one or two, every fight that could be made between any of these guys I would make the odds very close



.[/quote/

Maxnomer,
Funny, even though my list is totaly different to yours , I agree with allmost everything you say. But Max might have the wiles and power to spark Floyd and was Sharkey as good a boxer-fighter as Quarry? Now that i think about it Jerry might be a Sharkey clone.
Your point about Tunney is very valid, I think if we do the permutations long eneough he might come out on top, after all what were his weaknesses? None that I can see except sixe and KO power and neither will handicap him in this scenario.

Last edited by mattdonnellon; 01-25-2010 at 08:32 PM. Reason: FU in pasting
mattdonnellon is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2010, 08:27 PM   #8
Mendoza
Dominating a decade
East Side VIP
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 13,770
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Top 15 atg Hw's is easy but try rate these!

Quote:
Originally Posted by mattdonnellon View Post
Tunney
Sharkey
Schmeling
Walcott
Charles
Patterson

I find this DAMN hard. Experts needed.

I think Tunney was the best of the lot because he was a speedy boxer with some range, speed, smarts, toughness, stamina and durability. Tunney's ring record is outstanding.

After Tunney its very close. On his best night, Walcott. On the average night maybe Scheming or Patterson are #2 and #3.

Sharkey to me is the least of the bunch. He lost too often.
Mendoza is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2010, 08:36 PM   #9
mattdonnellon
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,648
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Top 15 atg Hw's is easy but try rate these!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mendoza View Post
I think Tunney was the best of the lot because he was a speedy boxer with some range, speed, smarts, toughness, stamina and durability. Tunney's ring record is outstanding.

After Tunney its very close. On his best night, Walcott. On the average night maybe Scheming or Patterson are #2 and #3.

Sharkey to me is the least of the bunch. He lost too often.
But like the girl with the curl when Sharkey was good(which was more often than not) he was very good. Charles and Walcott lost a lot too, you know. Patterson also but often close and only to top tier fighters. And it can be argued that Tunney beat less good Heavyweights than any of thr others.
mattdonnellon is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2010, 09:04 PM   #10
RockysSplitNose
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: East Midlands in England
Posts: 3,903
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Top 15 atg Hw's is easy but try rate these!

Hey Matt, hope things are OK

here's my take for what its worth

Charles
Walcott
Tunney
Patterson
Schmeling
Sharkey
RockysSplitNose is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2010, 09:12 PM   #11
mattdonnellon
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,648
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Top 15 atg Hw's is easy but try rate these!

Damn you , Rockysplitnose, how can you pick Charles after what he did to you?
Youropinion is at least as valid as anyone's but I have to move Sharkey off the bottom rung, Which guy beats aprime Sharkey? Tunney , (a small maybe) watch Sharkey on film(utube even) on his best nights first-he was great methinks.
mattdonnellon is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2010, 09:25 PM   #12
cross_trainer
Bergeron Avatar Club
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 3,685
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Top 15 atg Hw's is easy but try rate these!

As far as I'm concerned, Schmeling is a top 15 heavyweight.
cross_trainer is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2010, 09:31 PM   #13
mattdonnellon
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,648
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Top 15 atg Hw's is easy but try rate these!

Quote:
Originally Posted by cross_trainer View Post
As far as I'm concerned, Schmeling is a top 15 heavyweight.
A reasonable position but why do you rate him above these other 5 fighters, we find them damn hard to seperate.
mattdonnellon is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2010, 09:32 PM   #14
mattdonnellon
Belt holder
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,648
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Top 15 atg Hw's is easy but try rate these!

BTW with only a few posts, I think Walcott is the only one without a no. 1 selection?
mattdonnellon is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2010, 09:50 PM   #15
cross_trainer
Bergeron Avatar Club
ESB Addict
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 3,685
vCash: 1000
Default Re: Top 15 atg Hw's is easy but try rate these!

Quote:
Originally Posted by mattdonnellon View Post
A reasonable position but why do you rate him above these other 5 fighters, we find them damn hard to seperate.
I haven't thought about it recently, but off the top of my head:

Schmeling's win over Louis strands equal to--or slightly better than--Frazier's win against Ali. It's better than any single win that the Patterson, Tunney, Sharkey, Walcott, or Charles can muster between them. Heck, it's better than any single victory that Ali ever scored.

Schmeling beat Sharkey once (twice, really--and I count the second as a victory for Schmeling), beat a better version of Louis than Walcott or Charles faced, and did so far more convincingly. Also didn't duck anybody as Patterson did.

Tunney probably comes closest.
cross_trainer is offline  Top
Reply With Quote
Reply

Boxing News 24 Forum > Boxing > Classic Boxing Forum

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:49 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Boxing News 24 Forum 2013