How many wins would Frazier have vs

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by cross_trainer

Ali - Frazier

[Mendoza]

Louis 40/60

Marciano 45/55

Liston 25/75

Ali 40/60

Foreman 10/90

Holmes 40/60

Holyfield 40/60

Lewis 20/80

Tyson 20/80

Bowe 35/65

Vitaly 50/50

365/1000 or 3.65 projected wins out of ten. I'd guess 4. Frazier's main problem is he doesn't match up well vs big punchers, and although he beat some big heavies, he didn't look great vs Mathis or Bugner.

This list is full of punchers, and much better big heavies. Sorry Frazier fans. If Charles, Corbett, and Tunney were on the list, I'd pick Frazier in these fights.

[Mendoza]

Originally Posted by Thad Spencer

Mendoza is one of those who underrate Frazier. Remember, he thinks Ken Norton should be rated above Frazier.

35/65 against Bowe? Frazier would crush him.

No, I don't think Norton should be rated above Frazier. I never said that. I think what should be remembered here is the person who is mis quoting others and starting trouble.

Frazier big favorite over Bowe? Let's look at Frazier's fights vs Large heavies. Frazier was down on points to an over weight Buster Mathis until round seven, and was stunned and failed to stop Joe Bugner. I think Bowe is much better and hits much harder than Mathis or Bugner.

Bowe owned a prime Holyfield who had a much better chin than Frazier, more variety, and better size. Bowe had a good right and uppercut, which are punches that worked well vs Frazier. In all his fights, Bowe has yet to be knocked out. Frazier is not winning this one on points; he could not take too many of Bowe power shots either. Frazier would need to start fast ( which he usually did not ), and get to Bowe before Bowe landed his bombs.

[Holmes' Jab]

I think:


Louis: Louis, late stoppage.

Marciano: Frazier.

Liston: Liston, early KO.

Ali: Prime-Ali, UD.

Foreman: Foreman, early. It already happened (twice).

Holmes: Holmes, UD.

Holyfield: Frazier, by decision.

Lewis: Lewis, late KO.

Tyson: Tyson gets to Joe. Early.

Bowe: Frazier, by TKO.

Vitali: Frazier stops him mid-rounds.


* That's 4 wins then for Frazier.

[guilalah]

Probably five wins; six more likely than four.

[Luigi1985]

Originally Posted by young griffo

Siberian Tigers and Polar Bears over Ali???

I see you're backing the white guys over the black guy as usual Luigi.

My racism is detected now!!!

[Luigi1985]

Originally Posted by NickHudson

Limiting it to mammals underrates the animal kingdom somewhat.

I would say an 8 metre saltwater croc would have a great chance against prime Ali, so would a 6 metre great white shark - especially if the bout was staged in a submerged ring...

That´s not fair for the humans, in the water both animals would be in their element, but on the other side, even in the water Ali was so fast, I don´t think the saltwater croc or the white shark would get him to be honest...

[mr. magoo]

Originally Posted by Luigi1985

That´s not fair for the humans, in the water both animals would be in their element, but on the other side, even in the water Ali was so fast, I don´t think the saltwater croc or the white shark would get him to be honest...

Ali at the pre fight interview with the shark:


Great white come out bitin' but I'll be already fightin'

He'll be snapin' and a chompin' but I'll come back rompin'

He'll come at me swimin' and I'll give him a whippin'

This might sound aweful flighty but I will destroy ol' whitie

[Luigi1985]

Originally Posted by mr. magoo

Ali at the pre fight interview with the shark:


Great white come out bitin' but I'll be already fightin'

He'll be snapin' and a chompin' but I'll come back rompin'

He'll come at me swimin' and I'll give him a whippin'

This might sound aweful flighty but I will destroy ol' whitie

Hey, gratulations, that´s really awesome!

[cuchulain]

Originally Posted by dmt

the following ten:

Louis NO

Marciano NO

Liston NO

Ali NO

Foreman NEVER

Holmes NO

Holyfield YES

Lewis NO

Tyson PROBABLY (60-40)

Bowe PROBABLY (60-40)

Vitaly PROBABLY (55-45)

.

[groove]

Frazier only fought Ali and Foreman on that list. Liston i pick and Tyson a good chance but all the others it could go either way. I don't think Louis or Marciano ever fought a fighter as great as Frazier. Marciano was getting a beating by Walcott until the ko. I think Frazier would destroy Walcott with no big problems, same with Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore.

[Luigi1985]

Originally Posted by groove

Frazier only fought Ali and Foreman on that list. Liston i pick and Tyson a good chance but all the others it could go either way. I don't think Louis or Marciano ever fought a fighter as great as Frazier. Marciano was getting a beating by Walcott until the ko. I think Frazier would destroy Walcott with no big problems, same with Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore.

Nothing new from an Ali- nuthugger, who tries indirectly always hype up Ali´s career in every post...


the normal Ali- fan is a threatened variety, I think in the sooner future totally extinct...

[groove]

and nothing new from the clown of the forum who thinks he's some kind of expert on boxing - has the info but hasn't got any boxing brain

[My dinner with Conteh]

Originally Posted by Luigi1985

the normal Ali- fan is a threatened variety, I think in the sooner future totally extinct...

I think I fit that category if you don't mind.

[Luigi1985]

Originally Posted by My dinner with Conteh

I think I fit that category if you don't mind.

I know you, MDWC, and I know that you´re a normal fan, like me.