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Old 02-03-2010, 08:17 AM   #16
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Cotto was at a catchweight of 145.
That's still welterweight.

Anything above 140 is.
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Old 02-03-2010, 08:33 AM   #17
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Yes, but a little * has to be placed beside that win for me.

Not hating, but it's a bit of a shit move from Pac and his team to allow one guy (Clottey) to weigh in at 147, and not Cotto, 145.

Granted Pac would probably have won just as emphatically anyway, but still.

Shit move.
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Old 02-03-2010, 08:35 AM   #18
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Cotto was at a catchweight of 145.
and?

the Welterweight limit is 147. Anything from 141 to 147 is Welterweight.

So 145 is still a welterweight fight.
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Old 02-03-2010, 08:39 AM   #19
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Yes, but a little * has to be placed beside that win for me.

Not hating, but it's a bit of a shit move from Pac and his team to allow one guy (Clottey) to weigh in at 147, and not Cotto, 145.

Granted Pac would probably have won just as emphatically anyway, but still.

Shit move.
Cotto looked amazing at the weight and he said he felt amazing at the weight.
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Old 02-03-2010, 08:44 AM   #20
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That's a surreal list. I get Tarver over Jones, but Pac over Cotto at WW?
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Old 02-03-2010, 09:32 AM   #21
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Povetkin is the 10th best heavyweight fighter of the decade.


Why? i know he is a good prospect but for beating Eddie Chambers and Chris Byrd. No.
exactly surley Sam Peter who has a clean KO win over Maskaev, beat Toney twice whos ranked, and went 12 with Wlad.
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Old 02-03-2010, 09:34 AM   #22
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That heavyweight list makes truely depressing reading.

That was my first thought.
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Old 02-03-2010, 09:38 AM   #23
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Cotto was at a catchweight of 145.
****s sake. 145 is a WW fight.
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Old 02-03-2010, 09:38 AM   #24
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A Welterweight fight is when BOTH men have the option to weigh in at 147. A fight at 145 is catchweight.

That said, I'd guess the Ring would have had to call in a welterweight fight because its closer to 147 than to 140, that doesn't make it right though.
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Old 02-03-2010, 09:40 AM   #25
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A catchweight fight is still fought in a particular weight class.
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Old 02-03-2010, 09:43 AM   #26
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A catchweight fight is still fought in a particular weight class.
The weight may well be within the boundaries of 140-147 but the Welterweight limit is sat at 147 and unless both fighters have the option of making that weight then its not a welterweight fight.
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Old 02-03-2010, 09:46 AM   #27
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James Toney was the best Crusierweight of the last decade -
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Old 02-03-2010, 10:03 AM   #28
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There's definitely a few strange ones there.

Pac is too high at Welter and I'd be surprised if anyone thought differently. Naz could be a little higher and I would have expected MAB to be #1 or #2 at 126.

I certainly wouldn't have Floyd as the best Lightweight. Based on his two fights with JLC? Or his much tougher than expected fight with Augustus? Or maybe his below-par performance against N'Dou? No.

I would have Floyd at #1 at Super-Feather. He was the best I've ever seen at that weight.

The Heavyweight list really tells its own story about the standard of the divisions fighters over the last decade. I mean, James Toney? I guess they put a lot of stock in his win over Holyfield.
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Old 02-03-2010, 11:44 AM   #29
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This is dreadful.

The SMW division, as well as those already mentioned, was one that got me shaken my head. Ward and Froch that high for what, 1 win each? 2 wins?

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The weight may well be within the boundaries of 140-147 but the Welterweight limit is sat at 147 and unless both fighters have the option of making that weight then its not a welterweight fight.
Exactly.

Can't believe how many people lamely buy into the bullshit they get fed by Roach and the like. 'Over 140 is welterweight' my arse. Had anyone ever uttered that phrase before Pac's team started using it?

It's either a recognised weight or it's a catchweight. It cannot be both.

Pac has fought once at 147 and it was against a guy who hadn't fought their for years and had no status in the division. Absolutely barmy to put him at no.3 ...
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