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Old 02-03-2010, 11:54 AM   #31
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The weight may well be within the boundaries of 140-147 but the Welterweight limit is sat at 147 and unless both fighters have the option of making that weight then its not a welterweight fight.
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Old 02-03-2010, 11:56 AM   #32
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Williams above Cotto at WW? How does that work?
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Old 02-03-2010, 12:00 PM   #33
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Lewis around the start of the decade was probably still better than Wlad is now, but taking into account he only fought til '03- he cannot be ranked in the #1 spot. Second I could accept, but not first

No Oscar on any of the lists. If I owned Ring I'd have myself on the top of every division I fought in, and maybe some I didn't fight in too

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Povetkin is the 10th best heavyweight fighter of the decade.

Why? i know he is a good prospect but for beating Eddie Chambers and Chris Byrd. No.
That one doesn't make any sense. I doubt I'd have him in my top 10 heavies of the decade, but its still tough around the 8, 9 and 10 positions.

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exactly surley Sam Peter who has a clean KO win over Maskaev, beat Toney twice whos ranked, and went 12 with Wlad.
I'd have him above Toney and Maskaev aswell. I'd probably also have Brewster above both of them

I think Valuev might even sneak into the list at 10th (maybe). He was pretty effective after all
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Old 02-03-2010, 12:00 PM   #34
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Cotto is dreadfully underrated in the back of a dubious loss to Margarito and a catchweight loss to Pac. What about his wins over Shane, Clottey, Quintana, Judah?

He's got claims for top spot IMO, certainly not seventh.
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Old 02-03-2010, 12:03 PM   #35
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Cotto is dreadfully underrated in the back of a dubious loss to Margarito and a catchweight loss to Pac. What about his wins over Shane, Clottey, Quintana, Judah?

He's got claims for top spot IMO, certainly not seventh.
Spot on They have Mosely at 1 and yet Cotto all the way down at 7? Cotto has some of the best wins at WW over the past decade. Apart from Floyd and Williams he has fought everyone at the weight.
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Old 02-03-2010, 12:09 PM   #36
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HEAVYWEIGHT
1 - Lewis
2 - Vitali
3 - Wlad
4 - Byrd
5 - Rahman
6 - Ruiz
7 - Maskaev
8 - Toney
9 - Chagaev
10 - Povetkin
1 - Wlad
2 - Lewis/Vitali
3 - Lewis/Vitali
4 - Byrd
5 - Ruiz
6 - Rahman
7 - Chagaev
8 - Valuev
9 - Brewster
10 - Peter

Number 2 is tough for me. I might have to go and have a look at exactly who Lewis fought since 2000. I'd also have to take away Vitali's win over Hide, which was 99.

I'm not 100% on Chagaev either, he might be too high. His wins over Valuev and Ruiz are at least enough to get him ahead of Peter though
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Old 02-03-2010, 12:21 PM   #37
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Lewis beat.....

Grant
Tua
Rahman
Tyson
Klitschko

That's a better ledger than Wlad's. If Lewis didn't beat Vitali you'd have to argue Wlad's case.

I think they are ranking Vitali above Wlad partly on H2H, plus Vitali doesn't have embarrassing KO losses to shit opposition.
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Old 02-03-2010, 12:40 PM   #38
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larios and juanma above barrera at 122.
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Old 02-03-2010, 12:43 PM   #39
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Williams above Cotto at WW? How does that work?
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larios and juanma above barrera at 122.
This list reminds me of the Top 100 list a few weeks ago; loads of established names are below fighters that are currently active and also some hypejobs. It is wank. Pleasantly surprised by Haye's CW ranking, though.
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Old 02-03-2010, 12:45 PM   #40
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Lewis beat.....

Grant
Tua
Rahman
Tyson
Klitschko

That's a better ledger than Wlad's. If Lewis didn't beat Vitali you'd have to argue Wlad's case.

I think they are ranking Vitali above Wlad partly on H2H, plus Vitali doesn't have embarrassing KO losses to shit opposition.
The Grant win was decent. The Tua and Klitschko wins were both very good wins, but Tyson was arguably there for the taking at this point- and the Rahman loss more than cancels out the Rahman win.

Wlad doesn't have the big names Lewis does, but he has years of beating up top 10 heavyweights in his favour. For me, his quantity of wins puts him above Lewis for the decade.
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Old 02-03-2010, 12:49 PM   #41
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Naz's inclusion is ridiculous.
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:21 PM   #42
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Tyson was there for the taking yes, but he'd still be one of Wlad's top 3 or 4 wins.

The Rahman win isn't cancelled out by the loss, it's a bad loss yes, but Rahman was hardly a joke opponent, again, that version of Rahman would be pretty high on Wlad's ledger.

Spending a decade beating decent fighters is commendable, but he doesn't hold wins over any of Lewis, Tyson, Vitali, Holyfield and so on. The top 10 in Wlad's prime isn't all that cracking. It isn't his fault of course, but I find it difficult to rate him highly as a result.

Understand your point though
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:36 PM   #43
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I knocked up this quick top 10 welter list, didn't really look into other welters of the last decade so just stuck with those on the Ring list:

1. Mosley
2. Cotto
3. Forrest
4. Margarito
5. Spinks
6. Mayorga
7. Mayweather
8. P Williams
9. Pacquiao
10. Baldomir

I just don't see how Mayweather and Pacquiao could be 2nd and 3rd in the list.
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:49 PM   #44
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Apart from Floyd and Williams he has fought everyone at the weight.
And beaten all bar two of them, with one loss incredibly controversial.
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Old 02-03-2010, 02:36 PM   #45
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Marco Antonio Barrera is the best Featherweight of the decade. He beat far greater opposition than Marquez did, who's best wins were against Peden and Medina, and Pacquiao had only just three fights there, whereas Barrera faced and defeated Erik Morales, Naseem Hamed, Enrique Sanchez, Johnny Tapia, and Kevin Kelley in a two year period. Worthy of note, Hamed and Morales were both undefeated P4P entrants at the time, and Manny didn't win all of his three fights at 126lbs.
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