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Old 10-07-2007, 06:32 PM   #361
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Moore was not kayoed all that often but it happened often enough that Marciano kayoing him may not be indicative of spectacular power. He lasted longer against Marciano than he did in some of his other kayo losses.
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Old 10-07-2007, 06:37 PM   #362
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LaStarza hadn't fought many big punchers prior to facing Marciano so that is a good example. Additionally, Layne had not faced that many big hitters aside from Satterfield prior to the Marciano fight and Satterfield was very inconsistant.
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Old 10-07-2007, 06:38 PM   #363
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You don't seem to be able to read either hudson, you just make stuff up as you go along, where have i mentioned 7 foot anywhere, i said 6'3 and have also stated that even in theory the limit tops out at a certain height. Greene is 5'9, so add half a foot and what does that make 6'3. Sorry if you can't read or add up perhaps you can learn to do this before you respond. If greene was expanded to 6'3 in every way and was given the equivalent strength and muscle elasiticity that he would have in compairson to his 5'9 self (note 6'3 not some number your going to make up when you respond) would he or would he not be faster???
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Old 10-07-2007, 06:42 PM   #364
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Moore was not kayoed all that often but it happened often enough that Marciano kayoing him may not be indicative of spectacular power. He lasted longer against Marciano than he did in some of his other kayo losses.
Moore lasted because he could make Marciano miss or roll with punches to attenuate their force. Also, that A lasts longer with B than A lasted with C does not prove C punches harder. Tillis was taken out early by all kinds of people but went the distance with Tyson. I think consistentcy in knocking out opponents is the best measure of power.
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Old 10-07-2007, 06:44 PM   #365
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He would not be faster, for the reasons outlined in my previous post.

The design solution at 5 foot 9 is different to the one at 6 foot 3.

If you scale the proportions exactly, the new 6 foor 3 Greene would have more strength, but his gain in mass would be greater, so his strength/weight ratio would actually be reduced.

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You don't seem to be able to read either hudson, you just make stuff up as you go along, where have i mentioned 7 foot anywhere, i said 6'3 and have also stated that even in theory the limit tops out at a certain height. Greene is 5'9, so add half a foot and what does that make 6'3. Sorry if you can't read or add up perhaps you can learn to do this before you respond. If greene was expanded to 6'3 in every way and was given the equivalent strength and muscle elasiticity that he would have in compairson to his 5'9 self (note 6'3 not some number your going to make up when you respond) would he or would he not be faster???
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Old 10-07-2007, 06:51 PM   #366
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Yes but his limbs would also be longer and he would have less strides to make it over the distance. You have to take that it account as well.
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Old 10-07-2007, 07:30 PM   #367
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LaStarza hadn't fought many big punchers prior to facing Marciano so that is a good example. Additionally, Layne had not faced that many big hitters aside from Satterfield prior to the Marciano fight and Satterfield was very inconsistant.
I don't know how many big punchers Layne was supposed to fight. Satterfield and Walcott were rated among the top all-time 100 punchers by Ring Magazine. Turkey Thompson was certainly one of the most dangerous heavyweight punchers of the 1940's, knocking out top men such as Elmer Ray and Lee Murray, and huge men such as the 300 lb Ben Morosz. Joe Kahut and Bob Dunlap were highly rated fighters who were known as dangerous punchers. This arguement is simply not good for Rex Layne.

LaStarza might give you a better case, but he had, after all, fought Layne and Bucceroni. LaStarza probably fought more dangerous heavyweight punchers other than Marciano than Tunney did other than Dempsey. Layne was 200 lbs. Bucceroni 190. Tunney's opposition was lightheavies or smaller.
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Old 10-07-2007, 07:32 PM   #368
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They may weight the same, but those Lewis fought would have been 200 lbers in excellent shape and modern. Those Rocky fought fat and primative.

All the stats on the first page tell us, Rocky's opponents couldn't take a punch.
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Old 10-07-2007, 07:36 PM   #369
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They may weight the same, but those Lewis fought would have been 200 lbers in excellent shape and modern. Those Rocky fought fat and primative.
"fat and primitive"


You mean like Sam Peter and Jameel McCline? and other modern greats?

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Old 10-07-2007, 07:40 PM   #370
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Ah but they don't weigh 200 lbs, it true that any 200lbs fighter's lewis fought would be in good shape.
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Old 10-07-2007, 07:40 PM   #371
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There also the obvious styles thing, whereby Lewis could box. Marciano had to wear down and KO or he'd be Lacyed by any half decent boxer.
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Old 10-07-2007, 07:42 PM   #372
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They may weight the same, but those Lewis fought would have been 200 lbers in excellent shape and modern. Those Rocky fought fat and primative.

All the stats on the first page tell us, Rocky's opponents couldn't take a punch.
The modern guys can? Provide proof.
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Old 10-07-2007, 07:43 PM   #373
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I don't agree china joe, marciano was a good fighter and a big puncher.
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Old 10-07-2007, 07:48 PM   #374
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Lets compare Tyson-Lewis on common opponents:

Rudduck: Lewis KOs in 2 started from 1punch in round 1 that put Rudduck out the fight. Tyson took 7 for a TKO and the full distance

Golota - Lennox had him out in 1, he quit after 2 rounds with Tyson but wasn't OUT

Bruno - Lennox couldn't get his power shots off in the fight until R7 when 1 punch turned the tide and he had Bruno out on his feet from 1shot - a barrage had the ref jumping in. Tyson in the first Bruno fight hit Bruno with over 100power shots and Bruno was hurt but he took the shots quite well. The 3rd fight Bruno was scared to death

Tucker - went the distance with both. Lennox put him down twice

Holyfield - not sure who hurt him most (Tyson did well early) but Lennox could back him up.

Botha - both starched him in 1

Biggs - went 7 with Tyson and 3 with Lewis
With regards to Botha, actually, Tyson took him out cold with one shot, while Lewis put him down with a four-punch combination he got up from and then the fight was waved off. All-in-all, that makes a 4-2-1 edge for Lewis in terms of who demonstrated the most power against these opponents, but it is worth noting that most of these men had aged and declined since their fights with Tyson when they got to Lewis.
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Old 10-07-2007, 07:56 PM   #375
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Ah but they don't weigh 200 lbs, it true that any 200lbs fighter's lewis fought would be in good shape.

Why? Three of Lewis' foes were losing fighters. Connolly was 6' 5", Jackson 6' 4", Wilson 6' 3.5", Louis 6' 2", Shkor anywhere from 6' 2" to 6'5 depending on source. They just seem to be big men. Provide proof they were out of shape versus Lewis' opponents. Many of them were much more experienced fighters and they on the whole had more fights and better records.
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