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Old 10-08-2007, 10:01 AM   #391
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1. Sprinting is vital but increasing but using resitance training to increas strength/power is vital too. Plyometrics are good - long jump - not part of sprint training its its own event. Hurdes increase sprinting speed? Umm NOOO

2. Yes but there have been advances in sprint training - this is fact. Thats why times decrease. You do realise the world record in 1912 was only 10.6 don't you?

3. You have no evidense to support the cinder track is slower, it just fits your argument. It probably is a little slower but not more than 0.1second and top sprinters transition from cinder to modern tracks prove this. If the modern tracks were so much faster world records would have been shattered over the transitional stage, which they were not.
1. Running fast while clearing obstacles....doesn't sound like it would hurt sprinting speed to me. Owens' methods were not so inferior if they included sprint-training (short and longer sprints, as modern sprinters do) and jump-training (long jump) but excluded weights. Weight training is a rather recent addition to sprint training--it helps, but most of the advances in speed were made before its arrival.

2. That was the amateur world record. Professionals (which is essentially what modern sprinters are) posted faster times. Seward did 9.4 seconds in the 100 yards, for instance.

3. The track and field histories I have read say that the tracks make a big difference. The track and field athletes I've spoken to agreed. There was even someone on this thread who had done track and field and said the same thing. I've run on grass (as some guys did even earlier, around Sullivan's time), on dirt, and on a modern track, and the modern track is easier.
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Old 10-08-2007, 10:12 AM   #392
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Yes but his limbs would also be longer and he would have less strides to make it over the distance. You have to take that it account as well.
Yes, I agree that this would confer an advantage if he could move his longer legs proportionately as fast. Unfortunately, since efficiency decreases with size, he would not be able to do that.
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Old 10-08-2007, 10:16 AM   #393
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I find it funny that again somebody argues with something i haven't even said, where have i claimed marcinao opponents are in bad shape, come up pull that quote from anywhere on the site ????
Oh wait you can't, so once again your as good as lying and trying to look clever when infact your just talking rubbish.
I was more joking about lewis 200lbs opponents being in shape as it's implied that alot of more modern heavyweights are fat, therefore if you fought lewis and weighed 200lbs the chances are you're not fat otherwise you would weigh alot more becuase they might not be in the best shape.
I believe it was China_Hand_Joe who made this argument.
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Old 10-08-2007, 10:21 AM   #394
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Yeah but that guy fogey keeps telling me about stuff i haven't even said and he responded by quoting me not china joe.
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Old 10-08-2007, 10:26 AM   #395
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Yeah but that guy fogey keeps telling me about stuff i haven't even said and he responded by quoting me not china joe.
I think he just mixed the two of you up at that point.
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Old 10-08-2007, 10:28 AM   #396
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He seems to do that in every response he makes, the same happens about a million times earlier when he does the same with me and powerpuncher.
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Old 10-08-2007, 10:42 AM   #397
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He seems to do that in every response he makes, the same happens about a million times earlier when he does the same with me and powerpuncher.
As long as you seem to have a problem with me--read the quoted material you will see that I was responding in my early responses to China Hand Joe. I only responded to your assertion that a 200 lb man who Lewis fought had to be in good shape--they might not be carrying a lot of weight but they is not necessarily the same as being in good boxing shape.
Also, Joe brought up the claim that Marciano's opponents were out of shape. He should provide proof.

Anyway, this has been a fun and informative debate with different people bringing varied perspectives. There have been a great many posts. Perhaps I got confused here and there about who said what, but this should be just fun. Anyway, I apologize if I accused you of saying something you did not say. Don't forget, I am no longer a young man.
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Old 10-08-2007, 10:48 AM   #398
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Joe is a bit of a troll, thats easy to see, i just don't like being banded in with people who i don't have the same opinion as.
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Joe is a bit of a troll, thats easy to see, i just don't like being banded in with people who i don't have the same opinion as.
Okay. No problem. And keep the posts coming.
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Old 10-08-2007, 11:10 AM   #400
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It's pretty obvious that the rock's biggest name opponent was hardly in bad shape as well, i never seen anyone imply that joe louis was in bad shape. It's pretty easy to see that the older fighter's in general had better conditioning, however to make a fair comparison you do have to compare like for like, and fighters such as dempsey,louis,johnson etc should more be compared with guys like cunningham,haye and mormeck of todays era as they are of a more simular size.
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