foreman v liston

ross davis · 10-03-2007, 07:31 PM

both at their peak.who wins?

Luigi1985 · 10-03-2007, 07:33 PM

Foreman for sure. He had more power, better chin, was more proven at the world level, etc., the only advantage I give Liston is his pretty good jab, but that wouldn´t be enough. I say Foreman by midround TKO...

Grebfan9 · 10-03-2007, 07:38 PM

Tough one to call. Foreman seemed to "load" up more on his punches
whereas Liston boxed and waited for openings more.

I think that the 1959-1960 version of Sonny Liston would be able
to survive the early rounds and then come on to stop Foreman
in the later rounds. I was impressed with Liston's ability to shake
off Cleveland Williams' power punches and then KO Williams.

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Luigi1985 · 10-03-2007, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Grebfan9

Tough one to call. Foreman seemed to "load" up more on his punches
whereas Liston boxed and waited for openings more.

I think that the 1959-1960 version of Sonny Liston would be able
to survive the early rounds and then come on to stop Foreman
in the later rounds. I was impressed with Liston's ability to shake
off Cleveland Williams' power punches and then KO Williams.

Grebfan9
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But you can´t compare the totally overrated Williams with a proven powerpuncher like Foreman...

Muchmoore · 10-03-2007, 08:07 PM

I would favor Liston here. He is the better technical fighter and has the better jab. I see it being an all out slugfest but Liston's jab and superior stamina comes into play after 4-5 rounds and once he stops Foreman late. The first 4-5 rounds would be all out with both being seriously hurt.

Blacc Jesus · 10-03-2007, 08:16 PM

Foreman in 6.

brooklyn1550 · 10-03-2007, 09:27 PM

I like Sonny Liston in the 8th

Grebfan9 · 10-03-2007, 11:15 PM

Hi Luigi,

I understand your argument about Williams, but I'm mainly talking
about how Liston withstood Williams' attack. Liston had a tight
defense in those fights and set up his punches well. Also,
Liston beat a fighter by the name of Mike DeJohn.

DeJohn was a very good puncher too, yet Sonny took him
apart. A prime Sonny did well against punchers. That jab
was very effective against guys that moved forward.

BTW, is Francesco Pianeta fighting again soon?
I have been following his career.

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Originally Posted by Luigi1985

But you can´t compare the totally overrated Williams with a proven powerpuncher like Foreman...

DocDevil · 10-04-2007, 01:17 AM

Foreman had his hands full with Lyle.Same kind of fight,but Foreman losing this one.

Luigi1985 · 10-04-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

Liston for sure.

You have no idea what you´re talking about...

Luigi1985 · 10-04-2007, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grebfan9

Hi Luigi,

I understand your argument about Williams, but I'm mainly talking
about how Liston withstood Williams' attack. Liston had a tight
defense in those fights and set up his punches well. Also,
Liston beat a fighter by the name of Mike DeJohn.

DeJohn was a very good puncher too, yet Sonny took him
apart. A prime Sonny did well against punchers. That jab
was very effective against guys that moved forward.

BTW, is Francesco Pianeta fighting again soon?
I have been following his career.

Grebfan9
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Yeah, good arguments, DeJohn and Williams were good punchers, but a Foreman is one or 2 leagues above power-wise. But that´s all speculation, for me Foreman would be clearly the favourite...

Pianeta, well, I´m a bit disappointing about him, he had in his last fights some close fights, IMO he´s mentally still a bit weak, he has the power, chin, stamina, managment, etc. to make some noise, but with that attitude... I don´t know, his next fight isn´t planned yet... did you see him fight yet?

Grebfan9 · 10-04-2007, 07:10 PM

Hi Luigi,

No I have not seen Pianeta fight yet. Maybe he will start to really
fight tougher once he gains experience and has some more wins
under his belt.

What part of Italy are you from? Are the Italian women as
beautiful as everybody says. I am of Italian extraction, though
I have not visited Italy yet. My wife visited Italy when she was
a child. She says that Italy is so beautiful and full of history.

Grebfan9
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Luigi1985

Yeah, good arguments, DeJohn and Williams were good punchers, but a Foreman is one or 2 leagues above power-wise. But that´s all speculation, for me Foreman would be clearly the favourite...

Pianeta, well, I´m a bit disappointing about him, he had in his last fights some close fights, IMO he´s mentally still a bit weak, he has the power, chin, stamina, managment, etc. to make some noise, but with that attitude... I don´t know, his next fight isn´t planned yet... did you see him fight yet?

cuchulain · 10-04-2007, 07:15 PM

Foreman.

Too much power.

Luigi1985 · 10-04-2007, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grebfan9

Hi Luigi,

No I have not seen Pianeta fight yet. Maybe he will start to really
fight tougher once he gains experience and has some more wins
under his belt.

What part of Italy are you from? Are the Italian women as
beautiful as everybody says. I am of Italian extraction, though
I have not visited Italy yet. My wife visited Italy when she was
a child. She says that Italy is so beautiful and full of history.

Grebfan9
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I have seen Pianeta yet, he´s not the big deal IMO, but it could be enough for the today pretty limited HW division!

I´m from Puglia (a city named Foggia), that´s in Southern Italy. Where is your family from? For me personally, the Italian women are very pretty in general, but you know, everywhere are beatiful girls...

radianttwilight · 10-04-2007, 08:04 PM

Depends, partly on which Foreman we're talking about.

Either Foreman KO in 1-4 or Liston UD/TKO/KO in 5-12.

Liston had a good chin and an amazing jab, and 70s Foreman knew nothing as than the bum rush. That jab, Liston's defence, and Liston's chin would most likely take him out of the early rounds, and he has the power and technique to start capitalizing once Big George starts to fade (which would be early).

Always the chance for Foreman KO, but it peaks after about round 3.

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Luigi1985 Cane Corso ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,319 vCash: 1000	Re: foreman v liston Foreman for sure. He had more power, better chin, was more proven at the world level, etc., the only advantage I give Liston is his pretty good jab, but that wouldn´t be enough. I say Foreman by midround TKO...
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Grebfan9 Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 224 vCash: 1000	Re: foreman v liston Tough one to call. Foreman seemed to "load" up more on his punches whereas Liston boxed and waited for openings more. I think that the 1959-1960 version of Sonny Liston would be able to survive the early rounds and then come on to stop Foreman in the later rounds. I was impressed with Liston's ability to shake off Cleveland Williams' power punches and then KO Williams. Grebfan9 [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Last edited by Mankind; 07-17-2006 at 01:58 PM.
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Muchmoore Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,450 vCash: 1000	Re: foreman v liston I would favor Liston here. He is the better technical fighter and has the better jab. I see it being an all out slugfest but Liston's jab and superior stamina comes into play after 4-5 rounds and once he stops Foreman late. The first 4-5 rounds would be all out with both being seriously hurt.
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Blacc Jesus . ESB Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 834 vCash: 1000	Re: foreman v liston Foreman in 6.
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brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 12,401 vCash: 1000	Re: foreman v liston I like Sonny Liston in the 8th
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DocDevil Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 204 vCash: 1000	Re: foreman v liston Foreman had his hands full with Lyle.Same kind of fight,but Foreman losing this one.
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cuchulain P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Muirthemne Posts: 18,855 vCash: 1000	Re: foreman v liston Foreman. Too much power.
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radianttwilight Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,374 vCash: 1000	Re: foreman v liston Depends, partly on which Foreman we're talking about. Either Foreman KO in 1-4 or Liston UD/TKO/KO in 5-12. Liston had a good chin and an amazing jab, and 70s Foreman knew nothing as than the bum rush. That jab, Liston's defence, and Liston's chin would most likely take him out of the early rounds, and he has the power and technique to start capitalizing once Big George starts to fade (which would be early). Always the chance for Foreman KO, but it peaks after about round 3.
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