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Old 10-04-2007, 06:08 PM   #121
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It still was a very tough call for the most right wing post World WarII goverment we have had; hence there was little chance Foot would of taken us to war. There comes a point where IMO you have to let the past go, that would of been an opportunity to do it, take the high road, and show up the Argentine Junta for what it was, the Falkland Islanders who did not want to live under Argentine rule could of come to Britain. It would of saved hundreds of British lives.
I like how subtely "the past" becomes "the Falkland islanders". I suppose if the PRC had invaded Hong Kong in 1983, if the Soviets took the Shetlands, if the IRA set up a dictatorship in Northern Island, if the French took the Channel islands, if the South Africans took the southern Pacific islands, if the Cubans took Bermuda, that'd be just be giving up the past?

If the Soviets took Western Europe, invaded Scotland, took the north of England, Wales, and all of Britain sans Croydon, that'd just be giving up the past, right? After all, the people who didn't want to live under the above oppressive regimes could just move to Croydon, couldn't they? It's a good thing Thatcher came along, else Britain would have been the Democratic People's Socialist Republic of Britain under Premier Scargill by 1985.

Anyway, didn't Foot support the war?
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Old 10-04-2007, 06:21 PM   #122
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I like how subtely "the past" becomes "the Falkland islanders". I suppose if the PRC had invaded Hong Kong in 1983, if the Soviets took the Shetlands, if the IRA set up a dictatorship in Northern Island, if the French took the Channel islands, if the South Africans took the southern Pacific islands, if the Cubans took Bermuda, that'd be just be giving up the past?
Exactly. That's the whole point of having one of very few militaries in the world to have global force projection capabilities, to protect our citizens and interests anywhere at anytime. Handing the Falklands over to a dictatorship without firing a shot would set a very dangerous precedent during an unstable period.



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Old 10-04-2007, 07:37 PM   #123
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While I won't go into detail, since this isn't a political forum....

It wasn't a political forum until you, single-handedly, turned it into one.
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Old 10-05-2007, 05:30 AM   #124
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i don't suppose we politically could ignore the argentine invasion and the victory did save thatcher.one problem i always have with it though was that we liberated the islanders from the clutches of the evil junta,yet 60,000 british passport holders were living comfortably and without any harrasment in argentina when all this was going on.there was no mass exodus and they stayed there beyond the war and are still living there happilly to this day.incidentally the war was good for the argentine people because as a result of it the junta were toppled.
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An interesting choice. Elaborate.
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Old 10-05-2007, 12:32 PM   #126
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Just because he was tragically injured against Nigel Benn doesnt mean we should ignore the truth.

The man was a ****ing cunt outside the ring.
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Old 10-05-2007, 02:57 PM   #128
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I submit john morrissey, every one of his fights he was getting his ass royally kicked, and in two of them his gang cronies influenced the end of the fight. in the other, he only survived because his opponent fell ill from an infection.

nick ward also bears mention, he quit numerous times in an era when you were expected to be carried away to die before you quit.
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Old 10-05-2007, 03:47 PM   #129
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Muhammad Ali, for being an American world heavyweight champion who refused to serve his country in the war against communism.

In terms of fouling in the ring, Andrew Golota and Mike Tyson are good candidates.
I thought that was his finest hour personally.

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Old 10-05-2007, 04:10 PM   #130
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This thread is gay.

Someone post that clip of Tyson decking Holmes.
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Man, Tyson was far superior to Holmes. I'll make a thread later to discuss this.
I'll post in it agreeing, but less aggressively.
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Old 10-05-2007, 06:11 PM   #134
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An interesting choice. Elaborate.
Sucker punching Richard Grant during a 9/11 fundraiser and killing Sam Kellerman slightly influences on my choice. Utter disgrace.
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Sucker punching Richard Grant during a 9/11 fundraiser and killing Sam Kellerman slightly influences on my choice. Utter disgrace.
Agreed, but there are other boxers who have committed murders (one of 'em killed his own wife!). The sucker punching "helps" if you could call it that, but are there any outstandingly brutal things to set him apart?
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