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Old 10-04-2007, 03:25 PM   #16
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Whitaker was a pure boxer, not a complete fighter.

he has more or less the same stylistic weaknesses as most other top level pure boxers.

Swarmers, top level boxer punchers that are good enough defensively to make him miss a lot and have better offense, etc.
Chavez, Nelson,ramirez, Vazquez, Paez were all swarmers and Pernell beat all of these guys. I believe Mcgirt was a boxer-puncher.
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Old 10-04-2007, 03:30 PM   #17
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Hurtado was a pretty bad style match up, he needed a last ditch KO to win that 1. But Whitaker may have been past prime or taking Hurtado lightly
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Old 10-04-2007, 03:33 PM   #18
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2 fighters that would give pernell alot of trouble : Henry Armstrong & Sugar Ray Robinson (both at welterweight)
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Old 10-04-2007, 03:34 PM   #19
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Soft side of average? You have a lot of historical knowledge, but very little analytical knowledge. He had a very good chin, and an even better will.
Whitaker's knockdowns were caused by his awkward style, usually crouching down low towards the canvas. Technically scored as knockdowns, but you could hardly question his punch resistance with those type of knockdowns.
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Old 10-04-2007, 03:46 PM   #20
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Mayweather rocked him briefly, Vasquez didn't. Whitaker was doing his squat down thing against the ropes and was as much off balance as the shot put him down. The Jacobs thing is BS, and you know it. You seem to know a lot of the stuff you spout is BS, yet you say it anyway.
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Old 10-04-2007, 05:49 PM   #21
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Somthing that has to be consedered. Thwe two bigest advantages a boxer can have is reach and the ability to use it. If I can hit you and you can't hit me I have a huge advantage. The other is speed and agility. If I have speed and agility I can make you miss close the distance and land quick punches. Speed and agility alsooften negates power. Timing is the best counter to speed and agility but speed and agility usuly wins.
Whitaker was one of the best speed and agility boxers ever. There are defently boxers that could beat him. Could dose not mean would.
I think some good match ups would be Benny Leonard (135) Ray Leonard (147) Ray Robinson (147) Thomas Hearns (147) and Henry Armstrong (135)
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Old 10-04-2007, 09:24 PM   #22
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Chavez, Nelson,ramirez, Vazquez, Paez were all swarmers and Pernell beat all of these guys. I believe Mcgirt was a boxer-puncher.
I didn't say he would have a tough time With ANY swarmer or boxer puncher.

Most of those fighters were slow and methodical, with the exception of Nelson.
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Old 10-04-2007, 09:56 PM   #23
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Chavez, Nelson,ramirez, Vazquez, Paez were all swarmers and Pernell beat all of these guys. I believe Mcgirt was a boxer-puncher.
Correction, he didn't beat Chavez, who was a bit more of a boxer-puncher, and I haven't seen the Ramirez fight entirely so I can't comment there.
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Old 10-04-2007, 10:30 PM   #24
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Yeah, to anyone other than a Chavez nuthugger or Whitaker hater, he easily beat Chavez. There is no case for Chavez getting a draw in that fight at all, unless you simply have no idea how to score fights, which you obviously don't.
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Old 10-04-2007, 11:20 PM   #25
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Yeah, to anyone other than a Chavez nuthugger or Whitaker hater, he easily beat Chavez. There is no case for Chavez getting a draw in that fight at all, unless you simply have no idea how to score fights, which you obviously don't.
The same BS from the bullshitting pea nuthugger.
Keep dreaming fool,the fight was a draw and forever it will be, and you know why? Because it was a draw.
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Old 10-05-2007, 12:00 AM   #26
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Recently I've been ranking Whitaker above Leonard in P4P lists.
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Old 10-05-2007, 04:18 PM   #27
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Obviously Chavez-Whitaker will go down in the history books as a draw. But Whitaker deserved the decision.

Is there really any debating this?
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Old 10-05-2007, 04:38 PM   #28
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Again? WHat besides this has made you think I'm too biased towards Whitaker? Name just ONE time aside from this. This is an obvious robbery we're talking about here, everyone except a total retard (4Rounder) or a troll trying to get under someon'e skin(yourself) think otherwise. You lose.
NO, you are too biased and your man-love for Whitaker is too strong. As soon as someone doesn't say that Whitaker is the king of boxing you immediately jump on his dick and scream robbery this and that. It is beyong obvious.

The fight was a DRAW, no debate, I leave it there.
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Old 10-05-2007, 06:46 PM   #29
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no 1 can honestly score whitaker chavez a draw. be real with urselves i dont even think it was close and if u think it was a draw ur kidding urself. period.
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Old 10-06-2007, 01:17 AM   #30
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I think it's pretty obvious De La Hoya caused Whitaker a load of problems.

That Whitaker was not as far removed from his best as his nuthuggers would have you believe.
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