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View Poll Results: Will Pavlik Unify the 160lb division by the end of '08?
He'll fight for the IBF. 9 25.00%
He'll fight for the WBA. 0 0%
He'll unify all the belts. 11 30.56%
He won't fight for either the IBF or WBA. 10 27.78%
He won't keep his belts. 6 16.67%
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Old 10-04-2007, 10:39 AM   #16
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Both Sturm and Abraham want to fight in America.


They are not as famous as Maske, Schulz or the K's in Germany and I think Pavlik would demand at least 1 million € to fight abroad.
---> too expensive for ARD and ZDF (the channels that broadcast Abraham's and Sturm's fights).

So IF Pavlik-Abraham or Pavlik-Sturm takes place, it will be in the US.

But I highly doubt either fight will come off.

Well, we can only hope. I want to see Pavlik v Abraham. I could'nt give a **** if it's held in the depths of Africa, just so long as the two fight each other.
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Old 10-04-2007, 10:41 AM   #17
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Well, we can only hope. I want to see Pavlik v Abraham. I could'nt give a **** if it's held in the depths of Africa, just so long as the two fight each other.
After Kelly knocked out Abraham, he could fight a lion.
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Old 10-04-2007, 10:42 AM   #18
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Well, we can only hope. I want to see Pavlik v Abraham. I could'nt give a **** if it's held in the depths of Africa, just so long as the two fight each other.


But I'm afraid we'll see Pavlik-Mora and Pavlik-Bornard instead.
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Old 10-04-2007, 10:48 AM   #19
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I think Pavlik-Abraham will be a strong possiblity after he faces down Taylor (rematch) and Duddy (a local fighter to solidify his popularity in the States). But if Pavlik beats Abraham, Sturm will never face him. His only hope would be for someone else to beat Sturm and for him to take the belt from that guy.
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Old 10-04-2007, 10:49 AM   #20
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They said last night that Kelly would fight somebody(?) sometime in either Feb. or Mar. Who, depends on Taylor's team. If not Taylor, probably will end up fighting a tuneup fight, like a Mora.
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Old 10-04-2007, 11:48 AM   #21
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After Kelly knocked out Abraham, he could fight a lion.
I doubt a Lion would want to fight him
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Old 10-04-2007, 11:49 AM   #22
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This needed posted:

Published:Thursday, October 4, 2007

The new middleweight champion of the world celebrated by buying some tires
for his car. His trainer got up early as usual to spread asphalt on a few
driveways.
And the people of Youngstown, Ohio, enjoyed a double dose of good news for a town that rarely has any.

One day General Motors announces it will build a new car at the nearby
Lordstown plant, ensuring the economic future of the hard-scrabble area for
at least a few more years.

The next, Kelly Pavlik shocks everyone but himself and his pavement-laying
trainer by knocking out Jermain Taylor to win the 160-pound title.
“It was almost like someone was writing a script,” trainer Jack Loew said.
If they were, Hollywood would be buying. Inspiration sells, and there’s
something nicely uplifting about a blue collar fighter and his blue collar
town both making it big.
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Old 10-04-2007, 12:07 PM   #23
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Default Re: Poll: Odds on Pavlik Unifying Titles by the End of '08?

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Well, we can only hope. I want to see Pavlik v Abraham. I could'nt give a **** if it's held in the depths of Africa, just so long as the two fight each other.
So we will get to see "The rumble in the jungle", part II...

btw, Arum stated in the post presser, that he has no problems making a fight with AA down the road if Abraham won't demand a 50-50 split - hell, even 70-30 in favour of Pavlik would make Abraham earn double the money for his highest purse as of today (around $650k)...given that Kelly would earn around $3 million for it...
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Old 10-04-2007, 12:42 PM   #24
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Abraham vs Pavlik would be a hell of a fight, both got balls of steel and so determined. This has fireworks written all over it. It's easily the hardest fight for Pavlik who i think will eventually win v.close ud.
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Old 10-04-2007, 12:49 PM   #25
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Pavlik does not need to unify because, in my eyes, he has the undisputed title. He is already unified. Look at the other belt holders, they fought and continue to fight nobodies. The belts mean shit.
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Old 10-04-2007, 12:57 PM   #26
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Pavlik does not need to unify because, in my eyes, he has the undisputed title. He is already unified. Look at the other belt holders, they fought and continue to fight nobodies. The belts mean shit.
The unification means absolutely **** all to me. It's the fact that Abraham and Pavlik are the top two fighers at 160 right now. That means they should fight.
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Old 10-04-2007, 01:08 PM   #27
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Abraham vs Pavlik would be a hell of a fight, both got balls of steel and so determined. This has fireworks written all over it. It's easily the hardest fight for Pavlik who i think will eventually win v.close ud.
Abraham can't win on points, his workrate is far too low. He needs some kd's (à la Peter-Wlad) to be competitive if it goes the distance.

Pavlik T/KO 35%
Pavlik on points 30%
Draw 2%
Abraham T/KO 30%
Abraham on points 3%
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Old 10-04-2007, 01:12 PM   #28
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Default Re: Poll: Odds on Pavlik Unifying Titles by the End of '08?

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Pavlik does not need to unify because, in my eyes, he has the undisputed title. He is already unified. Look at the other belt holders, they fought and continue to fight nobodies. The belts mean shit.
Bullshit. I don't want him to become another Hopkins who is called champion but refuses to fight a live contender of his weight class.
Pavlik MUST face the best and - like it or not - Abraham is one of them.
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Old 10-04-2007, 01:24 PM   #29
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I think he really wants to fight Abraham. But, he has a somewhat smallish chance of losing to Taylor, and a small chance of losing to Abraham, so he may not have the titles.
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Old 10-04-2007, 02:32 PM   #30
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pavlik abraham should fight in the u.s. .. sturm should absolutely not fight pavlik unless its in germany.. no way sturm gets a decision in the u.s. especially against a guy like pavlik, have we forgotten dela hoya- sturm robbery?? i bet he hasnt
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