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Old 02-20-2010, 06:00 PM   #16
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If we're specifically talking about fighters losing their '0' and not looking the same since, I'd nominate Juan Diaz as a recent one and also Pavlik. People thought Pavlik was an utter beast.
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Old 02-20-2010, 06:00 PM   #17
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Old 02-20-2010, 06:01 PM   #18
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Old 02-20-2010, 06:02 PM   #19
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Paul "Scrap Iron" Ryan.

There's a blast from the past...Didn't he have a barn burner with Ross Hale...

I used to love his entrance to the Ring... Did he fight out of the Pea**** Gym...
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Old 02-20-2010, 06:03 PM   #20
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Old 02-20-2010, 06:13 PM   #21
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I don't agree, he took some very decent shots against Mayweather before going down. He also came out on top in tough fights against Collazo, Urango, etc.

I think Hattons best performance was Zoo but I don't think thats been down to punch resistance.
I was referring to Hatton after the Mayweather defeat. He didn't seem to be able to take a punch like he used to. Lascano buzzed him pretty badly, Paulie couldn't punch through a wet paper bag so didn't really test him, Pacquaio ktfo.
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Old 02-20-2010, 06:15 PM   #22
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Kessler could be on this list soon. Wouldn't exactly say broken but he's never got back the same ring presence and domination he had over lesser opponents since the Calzaghe loss. Perdomo and Sartisan were the types he was decimating prior to that yet both had moments of success. That little tiny doubt in the back of the mind just takes the edge off some fighters.
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Old 02-20-2010, 06:18 PM   #23
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Old 02-20-2010, 06:21 PM   #24
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Old 02-20-2010, 06:22 PM   #25
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I was referring to Hatton after the Mayweather defeat. He didn't seem to be able to take a punch like he used to. Lascano buzzed him pretty badly, Paulie couldn't punch through a wet paper bag so didn't really test him, Pacquaio ktfo.
Ah sorry! Time will tell but I think theres every chance that the mayweather fight will be the one thats looked back on as affecting Hattons punch resistance.

To play devils advocate, Lascano was a very decent puncher at 135 and Pac did catch Hatton with some hard shots before he got flattened by a punch I doubt he even saw coming.
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Old 02-20-2010, 06:24 PM   #26
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Just had this thought from a post i did in another thread.

There's fighters who can lose a fight and come back straight away and look the part. Some fighters come of age after a loss, Some are like fine wines and get better with age...but some have that air of destruction about them they walk with that undefeated tag...when there hurt fighters just can't finish the job

They beat all in there path's,they look unstoppable, They have that stare of a man that doesn't contemplate losing then one night they meet there match and someone has the bottle to take there '0' and from that night they never ever look the same man,as if there broken mentally..like things cannot be the same.

What fighters can you think of that had that feel about them and then when they were beaten just never ever looked the same fighter. I know a few but i'm gonna let you lads discuss and argue
Some people seem to be having trouble grasping the concept of a "first loss"...
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Old 02-20-2010, 06:24 PM   #27
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Yep so far there ain't one i disagree with. I think TFFP you hit nail on head...they lose that edge. Things these fighters used to do they now are wary of doing and lose there belief and effectiveness. It doesn't stop them being great fighters but they never look as good and for me it's sad...some of these guys if they could handle defeat the way some other fighters dealt with it could of been even better.

Scrap Iron was a legend i remember those days....remember Geoff McCreesh sparking him.


Videos showing why and how these fighters weren't the same again would be good.
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Old 02-20-2010, 06:29 PM   #28
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Camacho although he never lost to El Chapo, was never the same after.

He went from super-fast handed slickster, to olympic level sprinter.
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Old 02-20-2010, 06:32 PM   #29
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Cristian Mijares after the beating Vic inflicted on him.


Jhonny Gonzalez after the Vasquez fight.



Still to be seen of course, since both are still active (I think). But they looked to have slipped quite a bit after those defeats.

Davey Moore after Duran (he beat Benitez via ankle injury, but never came good on his early promise).
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Old 02-20-2010, 06:33 PM   #30
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jermain taylor maybe
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