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Old 06-24-2007, 08:58 PM   #1
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Default Is Hatton's resume better than Tszyu?

If yes than Hatton is ATG as Tszyu is.
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Old 06-24-2007, 09:00 PM   #2
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Default Re: Is Hatton's resume better than Tszyu?

Not yet.
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Old 06-24-2007, 09:21 PM   #3
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Default Re: Is Hatton's resume better than Tszyu?

He's got a 35 year old Tszyu and a Castillo who has struggled to make weight for the last two years.

He has yet to fight an elite fighter who is not on the downhill.
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Old 06-24-2007, 09:25 PM   #4
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Some fans are so ignorant when it comes to KT. Look at his career and how many world champions that he beat. Hatton has a way to go yet, although I will admit he is on the right path.
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Old 06-24-2007, 09:27 PM   #5
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Default Re: Is Hatton's resume better than Tszyu?

His win over Tszyu can get no more credit than Tszyu's win over Chavez which on these boards, isn't a great deal but is still a decent scalp...

Hatton is elite and has good wins. He's shown he's up there with the best at the moment but is a long way off ATG. Tszyu's resume alone doesn't make him an ATG. It's his skill sets and achievements that have done that along with his record.

Hatton's 43 - 0 is made less impressive when you look at the entire mid-section of his career in respect to ATGreatness...
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Old 06-24-2007, 09:33 PM   #6
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**** no.

Tszyu: Jake Rodriguez, Roger Mayweather, Hugo Pineda, Rafael Ruelas, Hurtado, MA Gonzales, shot JCC, Sharmba Mitchell (X2), Urkal, Judah, Tackie and Leija.

Hatton: Ben Tackie, Michael Stewart, past-prime Tszyu, Maussa, Collazo and Jose Luis Castillo.
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Old 06-24-2007, 09:38 PM   #7
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Who has Hatton beaten to be rated an ATG? Hold your horses!
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Old 06-25-2007, 03:29 PM   #8
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Default Re: Is Hatton's resume better than Tszyu?

In terms of opposition yes. Tszyu is better than anyone on Tszyus record. The same is probably true for Castillo. Tszyu never beat guys who were great going into the fight or even post fight.

Tszyus has the longevity, dominance, defences etc that Hatton has to pick up.
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Old 06-25-2007, 03:39 PM   #9
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yes hatton is close, the best fighters tszyu beat were sharmba mitchell and zab judah

best fighters hatton beat were castillo and tszyu.
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Old 06-25-2007, 03:41 PM   #10
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**** no.

Tszyu: Jake Rodriguez, Roger Mayweather, Hugo Pineda, Rafael Ruelas, Hurtado, MA Gonzales, shot JCC, Sharmba Mitchell (X2), Urkal, Judah, Tackie and Leija.

Hatton: Ben Tackie, Michael Stewart, past-prime Tszyu, Maussa, Collazo and Jose Luis Castillo.
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Old 06-25-2007, 04:17 PM   #11
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He's got a 35 year old Tszyu and a Castillo who has struggled to make weight for the last two years.

He has yet to fight an elite fighter who is not on the downhill.
Same could be said of Mayweather, and he's an ATG!





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btw, i think hatoon has a few big fights left before he can be considered an ATG
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Old 06-25-2007, 04:22 PM   #12
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Same could be said of Mayweather, and he's an ATG!
Yeah Floyds resume can be picked at Baldomir was just a journeymen in the right place at the right time, Judah has never been a great fighter and was coming off another loss, DLH hadnt beat a real good fighter in 5 years and was 34, 1st Castillo fight was extremly close and contreversally, Genaro Hernendaz was past his peak, Corrales was arguablly weight drained. But I can do that with any fighter even Ali his wins over Fraizer were after Foreman destroyed him, Foreman didnt train properly in the Altitude, Archie Moore and Floyd Patterson were both past it, Ken Norton where close close wins etc. Not comparing Floyds resume or Alis but I hope u get what I mean.
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Old 06-25-2007, 04:25 PM   #13
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Yeah Floyds resume can be picked at Baldomir was just a journeymen in the right place at the right time, Judah has never been a great fighter and was coming off another loss, DLH hadnt beat a real good fighter in 5 years and was 34, 1st Castillo fight was extremly close and contreversally, Genaro Hernendaz was past his peak, Corrales was arguablly weight drained. But I can do that with any fighter even Ali his wins over Fraizer were after Foreman destroyed him, Foreman didnt train properly in the Altitude, Archie Moore and Floyd Patterson were both past it, Ken Norton where close close wins etc. Not comparing Floyds resume or Alis but I hope u get what I mean.
I do get what you mean, entirely, was just replying to the kid or kids that always will say Castillo & Tszyu where shot! These are the same people before the fights that dmended they fight them & didnt give him a hope in hell.
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Yeah Floyds resume can be picked at Baldomir was just a journeymen in the right place at the right time, Judah has never been a great fighter and was coming off another loss, DLH hadnt beat a real good fighter in 5 years and was 34, 1st Castillo fight was extremly close and contreversally, Genaro Hernendaz was past his peak, Corrales was arguablly weight drained. But I can do that with any fighter even Ali his wins over Fraizer were after Foreman destroyed him, Foreman didnt train properly in the Altitude, Archie Moore and Floyd Patterson were both past it, Ken Norton where close close wins etc. Not comparing Floyds resume or Alis but I hope u get what I mean.
Very well put

it is easy to twist any fighters resume to suit ones argument even the great Alis

Now as far as this threads title is concerned i agree with Achillies

Ricky has beaten better fighters than Zoo did

but Zoo has the longetivity and reign at the top and beat alot more B level fighters than Hatton has...im a Hatton fan but **** sake he fought bums under ****** for ages!

but since 2005 he has the scalps of Zoo and Castillo and slightly faded or not those are BIG scalps

Zoo himself never beat a fighter the equal of Castillo or himself
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Old 06-25-2007, 04:32 PM   #15
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I do get what you mean, entirely, was just replying to the kid or kids that always will say Castillo & Tszyu where shot! These are the same people before the fights that dmended they fight them & didnt give him a hope in hell.
Tszyu was shot by no means he had just complety destroyed Sharmba Mitchell in 3 rounds I think Sure he was like 35 and inactive but hes not shot thats the same thing with DLH alittle past it but clearly not shot still a competitve fighter. Castillo is a fight I never demanded cause Hatton ran away from 147 where the best fighters where Floyd,Cotto,Margarito,Cintron,Collazo rematch,Judah,Mosley etc. I do think Castillo is close to shot them Corrales fights took something out of him obviously hes so slow and weak looking his punches seem to have no velocity behind them and hes looked that way his last few fights. Even if he wasnt im not sure these people hear would be satisfied you feel there frequent users of the double standards. Hatton beats a possibly shot Castillo and he gets flamed while Pacquiao fights a CLEARLY shot Morales and is praised for it he takes 3 fights in a row where a guy is coming off a loss and when Floyd does it with Judah hes flamed. Floyd beats Judah coming off 1 loss then Cotto does it when Judahs coming off 2 losses and Cottos praised. Its ****ing bullshit thats why I spend time mostly in the lounge,MMA or Training.
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