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Old 02-26-2010, 08:22 AM   #16
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Ali vs Foreman, or Ali vs Liston II you need to download?

Liston I was a classic.. Young harmless boxer vs Murderous Brute.. The Bully got Bullied and wilted in claiming a 'popped shoulder'... The Linament activities were in Liston I also.... Ali vs Liston II is a total mystery.. looking at HD footage, the right hand landed by Ali wobbles the shit out of Listons brain.. did he take a dive? Could he have risen??? If Walcott had total control of the uncontrollable Ali after the knockdown, the maybe Liston would have not been counted out.. maybe he could have got up?? Either way, he was never getting back to his feet with a 6' 3" genius in his midst, behaving eratically and looking for a chance to bang Liston out for real.

wasn't he ordered by the mob to take a fall?
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Old 02-26-2010, 08:39 AM   #17
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All speculation that conspired throughout the years after the fight I guess... All kinds of tales are told as truisms and near fact..

IMO.. Sonny had something hanging over his head, that being the memory of the first bout. The invincability of Liston was crushed in the first fight.

Did Sonny take a dive?? Did man land on the Moon??
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Old 02-26-2010, 09:14 AM   #18
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Wills Ali seemed too contemplative and inward. Ali was just a madman in real life, totally confident and always shooting off the lip and shooting off so hard he seemed brash a lot of the time. Smith seemed too soft and rehearsed. Great Boxing though.

It was Michael Mann stuffed this up, it seemed like a highlight reel, he didn't connect much together, it seemed hollow and didn't really capture the muhammad ali everyone knows. Too abstract

James Toney as Frazier was a nice bonus for us boxing fans
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Old 02-26-2010, 11:01 AM   #19
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Actually i thought the movie was briiliant, i liked that it didn't try to portray Ali as a saint as he def wasn't. As 4 million dollar baby being a better movie.............WTF
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Old 02-26-2010, 03:33 PM   #20
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I liked Ali, great flick.
I also liked Million $$ Baby.
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I liked Ali, great flick.
I also liked Million $$ Baby.
I love the bit where Ali comes storming out of the court room and walks thought the press mosh pit and he starts ranting on......

You want to put me in Jail...I ve been in jail 400 years I can do 400 more..

I aint draft dodging I aint burning no flag...

You want me to die for you....you wont even support me here in America?

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Old 02-26-2010, 03:50 PM   #22
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Can you name another actor that could have pulled off Ali as well as Will did?

Thank god I didn't check out the special features.
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Old 02-26-2010, 04:36 PM   #23
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Thank god I didn't check out the special features.
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Old 03-02-2010, 11:06 PM   #24
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Saw it some years ago on DVD...and from memory it was pretty damn good - certainly entertaining.

After a while you nearly believe Smith is Ali, and that's no an easy role to play!


Some of Ali's classics like - “I got nothing against no Viet Cong. No Vietnamese ever called me a n-i-g-g-e-r” - are delivered really well.

The guy was equal parts crazy & genius, and at the same time, probably the greatest boxer that ever walked the planet!
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Old 03-02-2010, 11:36 PM   #25
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i think its pretty sad you have seen this movie but not the real fights
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Old 03-03-2010, 12:08 AM   #26
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This movie was rubbish.
Very inaccurate and I thought Will's portrayal was garbage.

Darius McCrary does a better job of Ali in "Don King: Only in America".
Although it is only a small roll.
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Old 03-03-2010, 12:54 AM   #27
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Will Smith is a ****en goose if ya ask me. Should be charged for over acting in every role he plays. Never saw the movie as I have a 3 hr tape that covers young cassius at the olympics then 1st pro fight & so on. Rather see the real man in action than a clown trying to be him.
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Old 03-03-2010, 08:28 PM   #28
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Ash, have you honestly never seen the Rumble in the Jungle???
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Ash, have you honestly never seen the Rumble in the Jungle???
Of course I have seen it.....its the best fight of all time in my mind

And without watching both the real fight and the movie together....it looked very close to being right....even the way George got KO'ed in round 7
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Old 03-03-2010, 11:05 PM   #30
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Of course I have seen it.....its the best fight of all time in my mind

And without watching both the real fight and the movie together....it looked very close to being right....even the way George got KO'ed in round 7
he got ko'ed in round 8
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