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Old 06-26-2007, 02:37 PM   #1
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Old 06-26-2007, 02:55 PM   #2
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chavez had 3 times more fights than pbf

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Old 06-26-2007, 03:07 PM   #3
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I remember Greg Haugens remark about Chavez's record being padded with "Tijuana Cab Drivers".Of course Julio got Greg in the ring and plastered him, but it was still a funny remark that also had a ring of truth to it.Still, on the championship level Julio still beat more beltholdersthan did Mayweather , including knocking the stuffing out of Uncle Rodger, and guys like Meldrick Taylor and Edwin Rosario, just to name a few.Julio put it on the line much more than Mayweather does, with a lot less natural talent.
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Old 06-26-2007, 03:52 PM   #4
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We'll see when Floyd's career is over. He still could rack up some monster wins.
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Old 06-26-2007, 03:56 PM   #5
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PBF's only HOF fighter on his resume is DLH, so no hes resume sucks...
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Old 06-26-2007, 09:46 PM   #6
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PBF's only HOF fighter on his resume is DLH, so no hes resume sucks...
Well if you really want to get into it, Chavez lost to almost all of the HOF fighters he versed.

But Chavez has the better resume at the moment, he lacked a real ATG on his record but he beat so many good-very good fighters that it more than makes up for it. His best win over Meldrick Taylor is a great one, Taylor was an olympic gold medalist and very talented, but due to fighting Chavez (and other factors) we never quite got to see what he could've become. Add in wins over Ramirez, Rosario, R.Mayweather, Castillo, Lockridge, LaPorte, Camacho and Martinez and it surpasses Mayweather.

Mayweathers best wins are over De La Hoya, Corrales, Castillo, Chavez, G.Hernandez, C.Hernandez, Gatti and Judah. I just can't see how this equals Chavez. If Mayweather goes about adding Hatton, Cotto and Mosley to his win column, then I would definently reconsider their resumes.

Also another factor is that its likely Chavez would win head to head. I know that just because fighter A struggled with fighter B, doesn't mean fighter C would beat A. But Mayweather did have alot of difficulty with Castillo and Chavez was quite a few notches above Castillo. His defence is better, he cuts the ring off better, his offence is better, he is generally a superior greater version of Castillo. Thats why I see Mayweather struggling (And losing) to Chavez. If Mayweather gets trapped on the ropes against Chavez he is going to be in a world of trouble.

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Old 06-27-2007, 05:21 AM   #7
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Chavez obviously. Fought much more quality opponents and he fought a lot of them in their prime.
He also, fought way beyond his best days against the best like Tszyu and De La Hoya.

I can't even mention PBF in the same thread as Chavez. Oups I just did
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Old 06-27-2007, 06:03 AM   #8
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As time goes on, Chavez is always going to be remembered as a true ATG, a warrior, and a folk-hero to his country. If Floyd were to retire at this very moment, with his current undefeated status, I think he'll just be remembered as someone who was a good fighter for his time and place. I don't think he'll be remembered for any real memorable performance, but more or less.. just a by-the-books fighter with a glossy, undefeated record.
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Old 06-27-2007, 06:15 AM   #9
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Definitely, Chavez (though to his date he's took part in way more fights). Mayweather Jr definintely needs more HOF wins on his resume to be considered in the same bracket.

To this date PBF is a very good fighter, Chavez was a true great.
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Old 06-27-2007, 09:51 AM   #10
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chavez had 3 times more fights than pbf

stupid question

That doesn't make it automatically better.

But I also think Chavez' resume is better, just not because of the same reason as you.
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Old 06-27-2007, 09:55 AM   #11
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That doesn't make it automatically better.

But I also think Chavez' resume is better, just not because of the same reason as you.
So what is your reason ?
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Old 06-27-2007, 10:14 AM   #12
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So what is your reason ?
The quality of fighters that JCC faced is superior. In 38 fights Mayweather has done a lot though. If he beats Mosley, Cotto or Hatton and Williams/Margarito winner...then I would reconsider.
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Old 06-27-2007, 10:38 AM   #13
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So you guys actually give Chavez the Taylor win?
In my mind Taylor won that fight. I think the ref made an awful decision, not a sinister one, but an inept one.

Obviously Chavez has the better resume - But you could perhaps argue that Floyd has the better "density" of competition, most of his 38 fights are title fights against ranked opponents, Chavez's has a fair bit of filler - Although this is kind of beside the point
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Old 06-27-2007, 10:45 AM   #14
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So you guys actually give Chavez the Taylor win?
In my mind Taylor won that fight. I think the ref made an awful decision, not a sinister one, but an inept one.

Obviously Chavez has the better resume - But you could perhaps argue that Floyd has the better "density" of competition, most of his 38 fights are title fights against ranked opponents, Chavez's has a fair bit of filler - Although this is kind of beside the point

Chavez' win over Taylor was an absolutely fair decision. Richard Steele can't just throw a fighter back to the dogs if he is non-responsive. And I always hear people say how " the two seconds belonged to Taylor " but didn't they belong to Chavez just as much? Chavez deserved those two seconds to try and win the fight just as much as Taylor did.
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Old 06-27-2007, 10:47 AM   #15
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Chavez .............10 times more courage than Mayweather......
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