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Old 03-07-2010, 03:10 AM   #46
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That was exactly the 1st thing that came to my mind..

What the???
Don't get sucked into the hype too much boys . As I said, his resume doesn't stack up.
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Old 03-07-2010, 03:53 AM   #47
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Interesting top 50


1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Evander Holyfield
4. George Foreman
5. Larry Holmes
6. Rocky Marciano
7. Sonny Liston
8. Joe Frazier
9. Jack Johnson
10. Jack Dempsey
11. Ezzard Charles
12. James J. Jeffries
13. Jersey Joe Walcott
14. Mike Tyson
15. Gene Tunney
16. Harry Wills
17. Anthony Mundine
18. John L. Sullivan
19. Max Schmeling
20. Max Baer
21. Floyd Patterson
22. Ken Norton
23. Riddick Bowe
24. Bob Fitzsimmons
25. Joe Jeannette
26. Jimmy Bivins
27. Jerry Quarry
28. Jack Sharkey
29. Archie Moore
30. Sam McVey
31. Cleveland Williams
32. Lennox Lewis
33. Earnie Shavers
34. Jim Corbett
35. Ernie Terrell
36. Michael Spinks
37. Jimmy Young
38. Zora Folley
39. Ingemar Johansson
40. Ron Lyle
41. Tim Witherspoon
42. Jimmy Ellis
43. Mike Weaver
44. Michael Moorer
45. James J. Braddock
46. Tommy Farr
47. Tommy Burns
48. Tommy Gibbons
49. Pinklon Thomas
50. Michael Dokes

Interesting top 100

Sugar Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
Harry Greb
Sam Langford
Roberto Duran
Ezzard Charles
Benny Leonard
Muhammad Ali
Willie Pep
Archie Moore
Sugar Ray Leonard
Anthony Mundine
Sandy Saddler
Marvin Hagler
Carlos Monzon
Pernell Whitaker
Joe Louis
Gene Tunney
Julio Cesar Chavez
Barney Ross
Tony Canzoneri
Jose Napoles
Ike Williams
Salvador Sanchez
Mickey Walker
Emile Griffith
Alexis Arguello
Fighting Harada
Thomas Hearns
Roy Jones Jr.
Jim Driscoll
Kid Gavilan
Carlos Ortiz
Bob Fitzsimm
Evander Holyfied
Michael Spinks
Packey McFarland
Terry McGovern
Joe Walcott
Charley Burley
Rocky Marciano
Duilio Loi
Aaron Pryor
Tommy Loughran
Wilfred Benitez
Nicolino Locce
Jake Lamotta
Ruben Olivares
Dick Tiger
Joey Giardello
Tiger Flowers
Tommy Ryan
Carmen Basilio
George Dixon
Owen Moran
Jimmy McLarnin
Abe Attell
Lou Ambers
Luis Rodriguez
Kid Chocolate
Vicente Saldivar
Manuel Ortiz
Sammy Angott
Bob Montgomery
Young Griffo
Harold Johnson
Johnny Dundee
Johnny Kilbane
Mike Gibbons
Freddie Welsh
Jimmy Carter
Kid Lavigne
Beau Jack
Tommy Gibbons
Sammy Mandell
Nino Benvenuti
Flash Elorde
Jackie Kid Berg
Ismael Laguna
Battling Nelson
Gene Fullmer
Ted Kid Lewis
Billy Petrolle
Jack Britton
Holman Williams
Lloyd Marshall












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Old 03-07-2010, 05:28 AM   #48
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Where did you pull that first top 50 from Ash? Its all haevyweights except you had to try and sneak in Mundane at #17.

If you're going to cut and paste at least give the source some credit.
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Old 03-07-2010, 05:34 AM   #49
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Where did you pull that first top 50 from Ash? Its all haevyweights except you had to try and sneak in Mundane at #17.

If you're going to cut and paste at least give the source some credit.
It gets better, he has Mandy at 12 in the top 100.
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Old 03-07-2010, 05:36 AM   #50
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I'll bet he wouldn't know 90% of the fighters on those lists.
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Old 03-07-2010, 06:12 AM   #51
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Where did you pull that first top 50 from Ash? Its all haevyweights except you had to try and sneak in Mundane at #17.

If you're going to cut and paste at least give the source some credit.


I never said this is my list.....I said interesting list

I dont know where I got it from.......But Im happy you read it

**** off about credit.....everybody knows I know about 20 guys on the HW list and about 40 guys on the ATG list

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Old 03-07-2010, 06:21 AM   #52
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Really, you should have named it as '100 names I stole from somewhere and inserted choc in as well to make it look like I have some credibility'.

But of course, the moment you put choc in you shot yourself in the foot again.

Actually, perhaps you should have called it 'The hundredth time I've shot myself in the foot'.
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Old 03-07-2010, 06:23 AM   #53
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84.

Duilio Loi 115-3-8 (26)

Best Wins: W15 x 2 Carlos Ortiz, W15 Eddie Perkins, W10 Orlando Zulueta, W10 Ray Famechon.

Good Losses: L15 Carlos Ortiz, D15 Eddie Perkins, L15 Perkins


A somewhat contentious decision. Loi was 2 time world Junior Welter champion who possessed little power but was a master boxer. Fought almost exclusively in his native Italy, but made a 3 fight pit-stop to Australia and is one of the best to grace our shores. During his loss to Perkins, he still managed to dump him on the canvas twice.


83.


Tommy Gibbons 57-4-1 (48 )


Best Wins: KO6 Kid Norfolk, W10 Georges Carpentier, W10 x 3 Billy Miske, W10 x 2 Harry Greb, W10 Battling Levinsky

Good Losses: KO12 Gene Tunney, L15 Jack Dempsey, L15 & L10 Greb, D10Miske.

Funnily enough, Gibbons is not rated by some as the best fighter in his family. That honour falls to his brother Mike. However I'm of the belief that Tommy's has the better record. He was an exceptional boxer, who despite sporting 13lbs to Jack Dempsey, managed to extend him the distance. "Nailing him was like trying to thread a needle in a high wind," said Dempsey.


82.


Mike McCallum 49-5-1 (36)


Best Wins: W12 Jeff Harding, W12 Sumbu Kalambay, KO11 Michael Watson, W12 Steve Collins, W12 Herol Graham, KO5 Donald Curry, TKO10 Milton McCrory, KO2 Julian Jackson, TKO13 Luigi Minchillo, TKO7 Ayub Kalule.

Good Losses: L12 x 2, D12 James Toney, L12 Kalambay.

The Bodysnatcher seemed to be the yardstick for greatness during the 80s and 90s. He was never able to land that big fight with one of the "Fab 4", but his demolitions of Curry and Julian Jackson speak volumes. His left hook that ended Curry's night is a thing of perfection. Look it up on youtube.



81.


James J Jeffries 18-1-2 (15)

Best Wins: KO3 Peter Jackson, W20 & W25 Tom Sharkey, KO11 & KO8 Bob Fitzsimmons, KO23 & TKO10 James J Corbett.

Good Losses: D20 Joe Choynski, L15 Jack Johnson.

One of the most overlooked Heavyweights of all time, "The Boilermaker" was probably the most feared man on the planet at the beginning of the 1900s. He fought 9 Hall of Fame fighters. Sam Langford famously advertised that he would "fight any man in the world, except James Jeffries" in newspapers across the US. Jeffries fought out of a crouch and possessed a leathal left hook. He became America's "Great White Hope" when taking on Jack Johnson, after 6 years of retirement.


80.


Jack Dempsey 66-6-11 (51)

Best Wins: KO7 Jack Sharkey, KO2 Luis Firpo, W15 Tommy Gibbons, TKO6 & KO12 Bill Brennan, KO3 & W6 Billy Miske, KO3 Jess Willard.

Good Losses: Tunney 2 UD10, Miske D10

A man who transcended the boundaries of sport. He was a wrecking ball inside the ring, with punching power that should not be humanly possible for a man that would be a small Cruiserweight by today's standards. His 3 round demolition of Jess Willard is perhaps the most brutal beating a champion has received from a challenger. Dempsey sported Williard 58lbs!
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Old 03-07-2010, 06:37 AM   #54
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Really, you should have named it as '100 names I stole from somewhere and inserted choc in as well to make it look like I have some credibility'.

But of course, the moment you put choc in you shot yourself in the foot again.

Actually, perhaps you should have called it 'The hundredth time I've shot myself in the foot'.

Sorry if your lacking attention Leon maybe you need a group hug

For a guy that is supposed to be the funniest guy on ESB you have no sense of humour

If I was looking for credibility why would I slip Mundine into an ATG list
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Old 03-07-2010, 06:52 AM   #55
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Why bother at all?

Whose the one seeking attention?
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Old 03-07-2010, 07:02 AM   #56
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Why bother at all?

Whose the one seeking attention?
Because its a good list and I'm trying to learn about boxing pre 1980's
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Old 03-07-2010, 07:18 AM   #57
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79.

Felix Trinidad 42-3 (35)

Best Wins: TKO 12 Vargas, TKO5 Joppy, W12 Reid, W12 De La Hoya, TKO8 Carr, KO2 Blocker, TKO4 Campas, W12 Camacho.

Good Losses: TKO12 Hopkins

Trinidad is a fighter who I feel has become somewhat underrated over the years. As a young Welterweight, he was simply awesome. He ran over some great contenders, handing a few their first "L" on the way. He was a ballsy fighter who never left anything in the change rooms. His slow footwork was a downfall, but his bone crunching power made up for it, more often than not.




78.


Bob Foster 56-8-1 (46)


Best Wins: W15 x 2 Pierre Fourie, KO14 Chris Finnegan, KO4 Dick Tiger, TKO9 & W12 Henry Hank, KO4 Mike Quarry.

After starching legendary Dick Tiger in 4, Foster made 14 successful defences of his 175lbs title. He made a number of ventures up to Heavyweight, getting blasted by Joe Frazier for the title and famously causing Muhammad Ali damage to his face. Ranked as the 8th greatest puncher by The Ring and 3rd as their Greatest Lt Heavy in 1994.



77.



Myung-Woo Yuh 38-1 (14)

Best Wins: W15 Joey Olivo, W15 & W 12 Jose De Jesus, W 12 x 2 Leo Gamez, W 12 Hiroki Ioka.

Good Losses: Ioka SD12

Appropriately nicknamed "Sonagi" or "Downpour" Yuh possessed little pop in his punches, but boy did he throw plenty of them. Yuh made a record 17 sucessful defences of his Lt Flyweight titles, a record. He avenged his only loss in Ioka's backyard. The fact that he is not in the IBHOF is an absolute travesty.


76.


Khaosai Galaxy 49-1 (43)

Best Wins: TKO10 Alberto Castro, TKO14 Ellyas Pical, KO5 Israel Contreras, TKO5 Rafael Orono, TKO8 Chang Ho Choi, KO6 Yong Kang Kim.

There's every chance "The Thai Tyson" should be ranked higher than I have him. An absolute beast of Super Flyweight, he was originally a Muay Thai fighter who developed into probably the best Thai boxer that ever lived. Defended his title 19 times over 7 years, with 16 punishing KOs. Listed at #19 in The Ring's Top 100 Punchers of all time. Enough said.


75.


Rocky Marciano 49-0 (43)

Best Wins: KO13 & KO1 Joe Walcott, W15 & TKO8 Ezzard Charles, KO9 Archie Moore KO9, W10 & TKO11 Roland LaStarza, KO2 Harry Matthews.

Boxing's most famous undefeated fighter. Always in shape and always trying to take his opponents' head off with every punch. Had difficulty with Charles and and Walcott despite being past their best, but so would anyone. Tough as nails and as exciting as they come.
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Old 03-07-2010, 07:24 AM   #58
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You reckon Yuh should be ranked higher then Chang?

Cant say I know many people who would agree with that.
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Old 03-07-2010, 07:29 AM   #59
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I'm a big fan of Galaxy but hes a strange one to rate, basically used his right as a rangefinder before detonating the left. But once it landed the opposition would usually flounder like they'd been hit by a bazooka.

Hard to make a case for him head to head against a quality boxer but he always had confidence in himself and was very composed. A lot of fun to watch, that one punch power would always give him a chance.
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Old 03-07-2010, 07:31 AM   #60
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You can make a case and a strong one at that. Yuh travelling to Japan to avenge his defeat probably gets him in front in my books. Plus Chang's win over Chitalada came very early in Sot's career. Not Chang's fault, but there you have it.
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