Which was the more embarrassing "performance", Liston vs Clay or Duran vs Leonard II?

ChrisPontius · 03-08-2010, 08:36 AM

Trying to make up my mind and i'm looking for some arguments for either side.

Unforgiven · 03-08-2010, 08:41 AM

I cannot separate the two.
Both disgraceful quit jobs.
Very damaging to the sport.

PowerPuncher · 03-08-2010, 08:47 AM

Liston might actually have torn his rotator cuff, try punching when you've done that, I've had it and its seriously painful to punch and you end up punching with about 10% of the power you normally could. He still could have fought with 1 arm and made the best of it ofcourse but I think Ali had hurt him and he knew he was going to get stopped

Unforgiven · 03-08-2010, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

Liston might actually have torn his rotator cuff, try punching when you've done that, I've had it and its seriously painful to punch and you end up punching with about 10% of the power you normally could. He still could have fought with 1 arm and made the best of it ofcourse but I think Ali had hurt him and he knew he was going to get stopped

True, if the fight was on the level, he was probably hurt and handicapped by the shoulder injury.
Still, he could have gone hell for leather for the win and if he failed he would have gone out on his shield. As it was, he made the sport look bad.

Stonehands89 · 03-08-2010, 09:13 AM

Duran's. Easily. He fought like a narcoleptic and then turned his back on something that didn't even deserve to be called a battle. He was never hurt, marked up, or weary. At least Liston earned a hemotoma first.

Bill Butcher · 03-08-2010, 09:24 AM

Liston at least seen out the rd, Duran threw his hands up & said no mas.... Duran`s was probably the worst in the history of boxing were as Liston`s may very well have been valid - I have my doubts but it still doesnt top Duran`s.

ChrisPontius · 03-08-2010, 09:26 AM

True. Liston was marked up pretty badly:

RogerB · 03-08-2010, 09:52 AM

Oliver McCall v Lennox Lewis ...WTF!!!

Bokaj · 03-08-2010, 11:52 AM

Some good points. Liston was bruised, tiring rapidly and perhaps injured whereas Duran seemed to be in fine shape physically. In Liston-Clay you could see the KO around the corner, very likely as Clay had predicted, while Duran seemed nowhere near suffering a KO/TKO.

Duran is clearly the worse quit job of the two IMO.

MrMarvel · 03-08-2010, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisPontius

Trying to make up my mind and i'm looking for some arguments for either side.

Which Liston-Clay? In the first, Clay was all over Liston. He overwhelmed him. Liston was injured at some point and couldn't continue. That happens sometimes. Same is true with Duran-Leonard. Duran was ill. The second Clay Liston fight was weird. I don't know what to think about that one. So if you mean that one, then that is clearly the more embarrassing.

PetethePrince · 03-08-2010, 05:44 PM

Liston injured his shoulders. There's documentation of the injury. The fight was so suspicious that the FBI investigated and you can see the X-Rays off his shoulder somewhere. He had a legit injury.

ChrisPontius · 03-09-2010, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMarvel

Which Liston-Clay? In the first, Clay was all over Liston. He overwhelmed him. Liston was injured at some point and couldn't continue. That happens sometimes. Same is true with Duran-Leonard. Duran was ill. The second Clay Liston fight was weird. I don't know what to think about that one. So if you mean that one, then that is clearly the more embarrassing.

The first one.

By the way, what do you mean "Clay was all over Liston" ?? Clay was running for the first three, no, five rounds. For good reason, too.

ThinBlack · 01-25-2012, 02:50 PM

Duran vs Leonard II.

apollack · 01-25-2012, 02:55 PM

Duran's looked worse by doing it in the middle of the round, but in reality they both did the exact same thing - quit the fight, when really, they could have continued. Liston was still throwing hard punches with both hands in the round before he quit on his stool, and Duran did not fight like someone with a bad stomach ache. They decided to check out of fights that they did not think they could win, plain and simple.

TAC602 · 01-25-2012, 08:32 PM

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View Poll Results: Which was the more embarrassing performance?
Liston vs Clay	10	24.39%
Duran vs Leonard II	21	51.22%
Not much between them	10	24.39%
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ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Holland Posts: 11,749 vCash: 238	Which was the more embarrassing "performance", Liston vs Clay or Duran vs Leonard II? Trying to make up my mind and i'm looking for some arguments for either side.
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Unforgiven Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 13,141 vCash: 1000	Re: Which was the more embarrassing "performance", Liston vs Clay or Duran vs Leonard I cannot separate the two. Both disgraceful quit jobs. Very damaging to the sport.
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PowerPuncher ESB Junkie East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 30,729 vCash: 1000	Re: Which was the more embarrassing "performance", Liston vs Clay or Duran vs Leonard Liston might actually have torn his rotator cuff, try punching when you've done that, I've had it and its seriously painful to punch and you end up punching with about 10% of the power you normally could. He still could have fought with 1 arm and made the best of it ofcourse but I think Ali had hurt him and he knew he was going to get stopped
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Stonehands89 Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,193 vCash: 1000	Re: Which was the more embarrassing "performance", Liston vs Clay or Duran vs Leonard Duran's. Easily. He fought like a narcoleptic and then turned his back on something that didn't even deserve to be called a battle. He was never hurt, marked up, or weary. At least Liston earned a hemotoma first.
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Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Phoenix Marie`s ass, Fritzl Residence, Glasgow, Scotland. Posts: 15,580 vCash: 1000	Re: Which was the more embarrassing "performance", Liston vs Clay or Duran vs Leonard Liston at least seen out the rd, Duran threw his hands up & said no mas.... Duran`s was probably the worst in the history of boxing were as Liston`s may very well have been valid - I have my doubts but it still doesnt top Duran`s.
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ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Holland Posts: 11,749 vCash: 238	Re: Which was the more embarrassing "performance", Liston vs Clay or Duran vs Leonard True. Liston was marked up pretty badly:
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RogerB Super Middleweight ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: London UK Posts: 608 vCash: 1000	Re: Which was the more embarrassing "performance", Liston vs Clay or Duran vs Leonard Oliver McCall v Lennox Lewis ...WTF!!!
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Bokaj Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 12,310 vCash: 1000	Re: Which was the more embarrassing "performance", Liston vs Clay or Duran vs Leonard Some good points. Liston was bruised, tiring rapidly and perhaps injured whereas Duran seemed to be in fine shape physically. In Liston-Clay you could see the KO around the corner, very likely as Clay had predicted, while Duran seemed nowhere near suffering a KO/TKO. Duran is clearly the worse quit job of the two IMO.
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PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded East Side VIP Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 15,227 vCash: 1200	Re: Which was the more embarrassing "performance", Liston vs Clay or Duran vs Leonard Liston injured his shoulders. There's documentation of the injury. The fight was so suspicious that the FBI investigated and you can see the X-Rays off his shoulder somewhere. He had a legit injury.
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ThinBlack Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,955 vCash: 1000	Re: Which was the more embarrassing "performance", Liston vs Clay or Duran vs Leonard Duran vs Leonard II.
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apollack Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,402 vCash: 1000	Re: Which was the more embarrassing "performance", Liston vs Clay or Duran vs Leonard Duran's looked worse by doing it in the middle of the round, but in reality they both did the exact same thing - quit the fight, when really, they could have continued. Liston was still throwing hard punches with both hands in the round before he quit on his stool, and Duran did not fight like someone with a bad stomach ache. They decided to check out of fights that they did not think they could win, plain and simple.
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