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Old 10-08-2007, 03:28 PM   #16
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Hearing some of the rave reviews Pep got, it's hard to go past him as the best. No one has recieved the adulation he has for his defensive skills.

But from the footage available, which pretty much consists of past prime Pep, he looks a notch below the likes of Benitez, Locche, Whitaker, who I think are his closest rivals to the mantle of best ever defensive fighter. Like I said, this is viewing past prime Pep though.
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Old 10-08-2007, 03:34 PM   #17
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Ill go Whitaker because he had the full package, inside, outside, movement, feints.

Pep looked like he had cement in his shoes sometimes, sure Pea was flat footed, but his lateral movement was great..

NOTE: havent seen a lot of Willie Pep, so feel free to criticize about the cement shoes...
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Old 10-08-2007, 03:41 PM   #18
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That's right, especially because he was one of the 3 the threadstarter mentioned.
Out of the original three Pep, but Benitez was up there, definitely better than Sweet Pea.
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Old 10-08-2007, 03:47 PM   #19
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Out of the original three Pep, but Benitez was up there, definitely better than Sweet Pea.
In some facets of his defense (i.e. in terms of economy of movement through subtle shifts of the head) Benitez was peerless, but in terms of overall defensive ability, I think Whitaker and Locche were his equal.
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Old 10-08-2007, 04:02 PM   #20
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No.
Benitez is the type of guy that could beat whitaker head to head though, his head movement was better and he had more power.
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Old 10-08-2007, 04:05 PM   #21
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He had more power, but at 140 Whitaker was simply a more complete fighter, better jab, better from a distance, and with defense to equal Benitez. At 147 it's even money, Benitez probably at 154, but not at 140.
Whitaker had a better jab but benitez was better at making you miss, IMO.
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Old 10-08-2007, 04:06 PM   #22
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Pep just moved for defence, he had nowhere near the technical level of the defensive impressiveness of someone like Whitaker, or Floyd Mayweather for that matter, or just about any current example...
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Old 10-08-2007, 04:08 PM   #23
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I guarantee you Whitaker would have fared better against Leonard than Benitez did.
I seriously doubt it.
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Old 10-08-2007, 04:08 PM   #24
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I like Whitaker, at 140 especially, simply for the reason that he was more active. Pea would throw and thus land a bit more and take a close decision with neither coming close to really hurting the other. At the heigher weights Benitez has a better shot because Whitaker's activity level dropped markedly at 147-54.
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Old 10-08-2007, 04:14 PM   #25
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You have to admit, Benitez looked more impressive in his fights against cervantes and maurice hope than whitaker did against vazquez and mcgirt 1.
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Old 10-08-2007, 04:18 PM   #26
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Whitaker was very impressive shutting out a much bigger, stronger Vasquez who dropped Winky 5 times. And I don't know what is with some guys on here ragging on him for his performance against McGirt, I thought it was a very good performance, while McGirt was a very good fighter, better than Hope for sure. And in the rematch, he spanked him.
You gave whitaker all 12 rounds against vazquez?
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Old 10-08-2007, 04:20 PM   #27
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Cept for the little BS knockdown, it was basically a shutout, yes. He won almost every round, if you think that fight was close at all, you need to re-watch it.

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Old 10-08-2007, 04:20 PM   #28
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You have to admit, Benitez looked more impressive in his fights against cervantes and maurice hope than whitaker did against vazquez and mcgirt 1.
True, but you have to admit Whitaker looked better against Pineda and Chavez than Benitez did against Cervantes and Hope.
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Old 10-08-2007, 04:23 PM   #29
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The Vasquez fight wasn't a shutout, but Whitaker won a good 7 rounds, and with the point deductions, took it rather handily.
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Old 10-08-2007, 04:25 PM   #30
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My bad, it was a very intense, close fight where Whitaker had to fight his way out of rough situations, he was almost out on his feet. Whitaker really was never that good, he was a B level runner his whole career. In fact, if I'm honest, Vasquez was probably robbed in that fight, as was McGirt and Mayweather, and no way he did good enough to merit a draw against Chavez.

Sounds like Luigi's take to me.

Nice to see you writing a bit more realistic...


no,seriously, donīt overact so much, a shutout is JC- Lacy, but not that fight...
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