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Old 03-21-2010, 03:39 PM   #1
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Default What if Terry Norris came along in the golden age of welterweights

Imagine a young Terry Norris coming along during an earlier era, roughly ten years before. This is how envision his career emerging.

Young Terry Norris turns pro after a modest amateur career and is introduced as a 147 pounder where he hopes to make the big money. It takes him years but after building and developing his skills, builds himself into a half respected contender.

The current title holder is the legendary Sugar Ray leonard-undisputed Welterweight champion of the world. In his last 5 defenses he has destoyed the Hitman Thomas Hearns, aced Bruce Finch, Roger Stafford, Milton McCrory and decisioned highly respected Donald Curry. In addition, he brutally stops Aaron Pryor who some say he was avoiding.

Now it is Terry's turn for his shot. He is given virtually no chance against the legend. Sportswriters all taking a line from one another saying "Terry Norris? Who's THAT? Who's he ever fought? Ray Leonard has beaten LEGENDS. Why did you see what he did to that kid Hearns? Norris will wish he'd never asked for a shot at the title"

But young Terry Norris is not deterred. He demonstrates poise and speed the likes of which may even exceed that of leonard himself.

It is close after ten rounds. Terry knows he has to put into high gear and closes the show strongly - scoring two KD's to lock the decision.

In a gracious gesture, Terry agrees to a rematch but this time wins more one sidedly. Ray Leonard remarks "I was just having a bad night"

In order to recapture some of his lost glory and rebuild his reputation, Ray hits the comeback trail by moving up and winning the 154 pound title a second time, beating Mike McCallum on points and turning back the challenge of young Julian Jackson in a display of speed that rivals Norris himself. Though Jackson is clearly the stronger of the two, Ray's is clearly the more skilled. He evades the clumsy swings of the crude puncher and as Jackson begins to tire, Ray finds the mark with a perfect right to the chin. Jackson staggers back to the ropes and Leonard pounces furiously with 50 unanswered punches

Terry who is sitting in the audience remarks "he reminded me of myself in there tonight"

As for our young new title holder, he goes on to manhandle Donald Curry, and decisons Simon Brown in a shutout.

After two masterful defenses, Terry picks up the mike and proclaims "what can I say? It was the SPEED that beat them!" and eyes a third match with Ray leonard scheduled for September 1986

For the first time however, Norris is made the solid favorite based on the outcomes of their last two fights.

Ray leonard is DETERMINED not to lose a third time and vows to reverse the sting of the first two losses. However, even at the new weight at which he is competing at, he cannot overcome the speed and sharp hitting of Norris. Ray hits the canvas in rounds 6 and 11 and has missed his mark not by inches but by feet. Coming out for round 12, Leonard's eyes seem dulled, deep down he knows he can no longer win and looks to last the remainder of the fight on his feet as Terry sweeps the last 4 rounds

leoanrd admits to his fans "it was like trying to hit Willie Pep. Terry has truly mastered the art of hit and don't get hit"

Leonard would go on to more success in his career, much of his skills and sharpness intact - winning 5 and losing one-a rematch with Thomas Hearns for Hagler's vacant middleweight title.

Their final fight comes on November 1988. Terry, the recent loser in a title fight to knockout artist Julian Jackson, agrees to a ten round fight with Ray but the result is the same though this time it is somewhat closer with Norris winning by a margin of two points
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Old 03-21-2010, 03:42 PM   #2
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Ray Leonard TKO7 Terry Norris
Thomas Hearns KO1 Terry Norris
Wilfred Benitez UD15 Terry Norris
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Old 03-21-2010, 03:45 PM   #3
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Ray Leonard TKO7 Terry Norris
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Wilfred Benitez UD15 Terry Norris
I'm sorry but that doesnt ring true. I am taking data from their actual fight and projecting into the past with slippage and age taken into account
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I'm sorry but that doesnt ring true. I am taking data from their actual fight and projecting into the past with slippage and age taken into account
Point taken.

Ray Leonard KO1 Terry Norris.
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What a glass-jawed joke.
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Old 03-21-2010, 03:56 PM   #7
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Norris never had an ATG chin, and it went to total shit later in his career, look how hes almost KO'd by a jab in that clip. His chin would have been exposed by greater fighters much quicker at any point in his career.
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Norris never had an ATG chin, and it went to total shit later in his career, look how hes almost KO'd by a jab in that clip. His chin would have been exposed by greater fighters much quicker at any point in his career.
You're making far to much sense for Rooster. You're confusing him.
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There's only one way to deal with Rooster, and that's by blitzing him with Norris' chin getting shattered.

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Ray challenged Norris, not the other way around but you trying to make it sound like Norris got to call the shots with Ray waiting at his mercy for a title shot. leonard 3-1. still couldnt pull it off. that's how gr8 Norris was

Ray was fast

Norris was faster

154 pound defenses: Norris-13. SRL-0

ray was gr8

Norris was gr8er
That's a post on Youtube. That has to be Rooster.
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What a glass-jawed joke.
sour grapes over the fact that Terry really was a fistic genius whom many, not just Ray Leoanrd, could not figure out in time.

Blame it on the hand and footspeed. Terry just has that rare ability to strike before the opponent realizes it, and move back out of range. Norris proved that as Hector Camacho proved it, as Roy Jones proved time and time again.

I wouldnt even complain if I were you. I put in the extra effort to make Ray look better than he is. I dont know if he could really take out McCallum and Jackson; I am just giving him the benefit of the doubt. But even if he could (which he might) he wouldnt get by Norris. There is no way he could win because of Terry's speed
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That's a post on Youtube. That has to be Rooster.

Well whoever that poster was, he knew his boxing I'll say that for him.

Terry does have more on the ball when it comes to defenses. I think ray would put up a good fight in a chess match for a few rounds. I really do.

But Terry is just a little bit tougher, has better stamina and fights at a faster pace. This would benefit him more as the action heats up. Well, you saw what happened
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sour grapes over the fact that Terry really was a fistic genius whom many, not just Ray Leoanrd, could not figure out in time.

Blame it on the hand and footspeed. Terry just has that rare ability to strike before the opponent realizes it, and move back out of range. Norris proved that as Hector Camacho proved it, as Roy Jones proved time and time again.

I wouldnt even complain if I were you. I put in the extra effort to make Ray look better than he is. I dont know if he could really take out McCallum and Jackson; I am just giving him the benefit of the doubt. But even if he could (which he might) he wouldnt get by Norris. There is no way he could win because of Terry's speed
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Ray Leonard TKO7 Terry Norris
Thomas Hearns KO1 Terry Norris
Wilfred Benitez UD15 Terry Norris
I have no problem with you picking Leonard and Hearns over Norris but Benitez has zero chance against Terry, in fact I don't even think a fight between them would be all that competitive, Terry beats Benitez by 10th round stoppage. We all know I pick Terry even over a prime Leonard. A fight with Hearns at 154 is 50/50 in my view, both have the chance to crack each others chin.
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I have no problem with you picking Leonard and Hearns over Norris but Benitez has zero chance against Terry, in fact I don't even think a fight between them would be all that competitive, Terry beats Benitez by 10th round stoppage. We all know I pick Terry even over a prime Leonard. A fight with Hearns at 154 is 50/50 in my view, both have the chance to crack each others chin.
Which is why you shouldn't talk anymore.
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