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Old 03-26-2010, 08:21 PM   #61
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Wow...I thought you would have bobby Sin in the top 10 mate...he's one of your favourites
The top 10 is a bloody hard call.. there's a few from the top 20 that others might slot into the top ten.. 12 down to 7 is open for speculation when looking deeper, but its only my list and the entire thing is open for arguement. I havn't had a bourbon for a week, so my judgment has been terribly impaired....
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Flamengo the 2 guys who I was lucky enough to fight and hope they are mentioned are Wally Carr And Cass. Wally won as many Australian titles as I had fights. And was never more than half fit in his whole career. Cass was the best fighter I ever fought. Ability wise nobody ever came close.
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Old 03-26-2010, 08:58 PM   #63
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Flamengo the 2 guys who I was lucky enough to fight and hope they are mentioned are Wally Carr And Cass. Wally won as many Australian titles as I had fights. And was never more than half fit in his whole career. Cass was the best fighter I ever fought. Ability wise nobody ever came close.
...and what ya going to do if they're not included hey?? Want a shot at the title mate???

I think it's safe to suggest you'll be seeing them.. lol
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DRUM ROLL PLEASE....

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Old 03-26-2010, 09:56 PM   #65
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Old 03-26-2010, 10:00 PM   #66
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10. Jack Hassen.

Real gold in the Golden Era of Aussie Boxing. Jack Hassen looked a scrawny bloke when stripped, yet his punching ability caused mayhem in the souls of those oposed to the skinny looking belter. Jimmy Sharman had handled some of the games best Aboriginals as they toyed with locals with the travelling tent show. Few, if any had the natural mastery adapted to them when gloves first met their fists as did Jack Hassen. A long string of punishing victories over local yard sticks and State champs had Hassen fighting Main Events in no time. After belting fellow Aboriginal, and future Welter Champ, George Kapeen into dreamland for the second time Hassen was welcomed to entertain the fiesty Sydney Stadium mob continuously. In front of huge crowds Jack overcome French stars Andre Famechon and Lightweight Champ Pierre Montane before the match up with Victoria's golden boy Archie Kemp. The night fighting for the Oz L/W Crown was to be the brilliant Hassens fistic swan song and the pinnacle of Joe Wallis' lazy arsed refereeing attitude. Hassen slowly caught up with the nimble young Kemp and tagged him heavily with both hands. Wallis, perhaps the nations most unforgiving referee, afforded Hassen the extra time to finish Kemp off completely... literally. Archie kemp died from the punishment, and Hassens mitts were ghosts of the hammer like weapons that once enthralled the spectators and pained the body and heads of those willing to face them. Ern McQuillan encouraged his boy to fight on for several more years with little glory. Losses to two brilliant imports,World Contender Freddie Dawson and future World L/W supremo Joe Brown were hardly to frown upon, but the sportswriters, fans and all involved who knew the difference, were not witnessing Hassen as he was. Hard nosed Mickey (Roy) Tollis added two more losses to the Hassen record and Frankie Flannery closed the Hassen shop in taking his L/W crown. There's no questioning that with Kemp died a large amount of Hassens spirit. That one night in Sydney haunted Hassen for the rest of his life. Regardless, his skill, ferocity, power and fair play made Jack a Legend of the game.
Frankie Flannery was asked in retirement who hit him the hardest in his epic bouts. He responded "Jack Hassen". When reminded that he'd KO'd Hassen in their meeting, Flannery replied.."Yeah, but I don't remember doing it"

Best assett. Strength. Stanima. Heavy fists.
Worst assett.

Best win. Pierre Montane. George Kapeen. Ken Baily.
Best loss. Freddie Dawson. Old Bones Brown.
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9. 'Baby Cassius' Lauchie Austin.

Maybe not the next Lionel Rose, but who cares.. He's Lionel's cousin, as is Porky Brooke. Matt Ropis met Austin at the Royal Melbourne Show, and they punched the shit out of each other in the tents.. and again in the paid ranks on T.V Ringside. Residing in Perth, Austin quickly grew in stature and reputation as another classic Aboriginal with the 'goods' coming natural. Training was not a pleasure and seriousness was not his forte. Either way, Lauchie developed well and appeared on the undercard of Joe Frazier and Jimmy Ellis in the H/W scam sensation at Junction Oval. Fighting half man/half Afro Martin Beni saw Lauchie lose, only to regain his bearing with another win over Matt Ropis. Like Hassen and Bracken, Lauchie took Aust.L/W honours before taking a further step and Hector Thompson's Commonwealth jW/W title for a short time. Hector quickly retrieved the traditional Belt 6 weeks later and ultimately surrendered both the Oz jW/W and Commonwealth jW/W Titles to Lauchie again a few months later. Some mad ass Balmain supporter with a southpaw stance and finesse in the ring halted Lauchie's reign in front of an audience of Rhino's, Giraffe's and Lions.. and this was not Sydney Stadium.. Proving a point in defeating Austin a second time, Jeff Malcolm carried on to a career with amazing longevity, whilst Austin sought out more belts and battles. Nemesis Matt Ropis never got his revenge from the earlier loss, but Austin tangled with a 'Tank' in Frank Ropis and handed over his newly claimed Oz W/W Crown to the sibling of Matt. Leaving the game for a stint of 'walkabout' saw a quality return 3 years later. Adding multiple titles to the cabinet enroute to a negative result against 20 year old Russell Sands jnr in hope of harnessing the JM/W Strap. Lauchie Austin won enough belts through his career to hold up Kegsy's Levi's eternally.. Still revered by his opponents, all who become close mates with this character, and inducted into the HoF a few years ago- Lauchie is a living legend.

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Worst asett.

Best win. Hec Thompson. Matt Ropis.
Best Loss. Jeff Malcolm. Frank Ropis.
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8. Elley Bennett.

Any bloke with the balls to stand toe-to-toe with a serious Elley Bennett would fall. God given strength and a gentle manner were never a likely make up for a fighter. This was Elliott Roger Bennett through and through. He smiled when the bell rang, smiled when hit and smiled when looking down at the fallen man. He never meant any harm- he just smiled through the enjoyment of fighting and the commarardery it brings. Ray 'Mustard' Coleman was a nasty peice of work whose rough house tactics won Sydney Stadium fans over. He'd used these tactics against Bennett for 14 rounds, allowing him to gain a great lead in hope of taking Bennett's Feather crown.. Rather than touch gloves to commence the 15 round, Elley gave Mustard a warm embrace to the suprise of sportwriters and fans alike. He then backed off with a pleasant smile as the bell rang and spread Mustard like butter. Elley knew his strength and trusted it to the hilt. In all his wars at the Stadium, Bennett proved his worth and reputation as the WORLDS hardest puncher. Fleet footed fighters who jabbed and run were a down fall to Elley, although most were soon tagged in the later rounds. One such dancer who decided to Tango with Elley was Cecil Schoonmaker, rated #2 in the World. Like the rest, he tripped over his own feet and a left and right also. 6 rounds of playful two-stepping and a good nights sleep were all Cecil took out of the bout. Rated number one contender to Manny Ortiz saw all negotiation fail until Vic Toweel claimed the World Bantam Crown and talks started to look better. A white Sth. African fighting an Aboriginal is the land of Apatheid was never going to bare fruits, so a so-called deal was alleged to have been made. True or not, some things add up. Jimmy Carruthers took Elley's National Bantam Crown and Toweel's World Crown later. Toweels camp is said to have arranged a shot for Carruthers, and Bennett is said to obligued by handing his Bantam Crown to Jimmy- thus allowing the World title meet. This tale comes directly from a Toweel family member. I tend to believe it.
Elley Bennett is unique in the game's history.. much like Griffo, his gift was a raw knowlege of his special powers. With best pals Jackie Ryan and Bobby Sinn, Bennett stands proud.

Best assett. Left or Right... Goodnight.
Worst assett. Apatheid

Best win. Cecil Schoonmaker. Vic Eisen
Best loss. Jimmy carruthers. Harold Dade
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U dont think Samardin should be a little bit higher on the list? What about James Swan? I know he never went pro but he has some amazing handspeed.
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James Swan did go pro Hmmm, not sure if it was bad luck or bad management but his career never went anywhere because he constantly ran into top class opposition without much in the way of pro experience. losses to ben rabah, katsidis, gairy st clair, ben cruz
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7. Wally 'wait a while' Carr.

Heard of him??? He's another seemingly forgotten warrior that needs a reminder of. By the time Carr had engaged in 50 bouts, he'd faced Jeff Malcolm, Colin Cassidy and Matt Ropis. In moving up from a tall, spindly Featherweight to a tall spindley Lightweight, he'd had ups and downs and limited accolades. Throw together another 50 bouts and Australian title attempts through to the H/W Class- suddenly this guy is a freak. Wally Carr was a freak!! Deafeating future Lightweight Champ Matt Ropis in '74 holds a great deal of credit, as did a draw with flash Malcolm previously, yet Carr would harness the Aust LM/W , M/W, SM/W, L/HW and Australasian LM/W Crowns- Fail in attempts for the C/W and H/W Crowns and box professionally with no real interest for 15 years. By the time a very flabby Carr had fun with Dave Russell whilst vying for the H/W Crown, the very last speckle of any seriousness was long gone from Carr.. When was Carr ever serious??? Perhaps never, as suggested by those close to him. When Jeff malcolm was awarded with his own ANBHOF Induction award, he remarked that he was honoured to be in the same room as Wally Carr and pointed out that Wally was the most incredible boxer he'd seen- taking the game seriously for a moment, he'd have been a World Champion without a doubt. Wally himself is definately a worthy candidate for induction to any sporting HoF, yet his lack of interest in training and attention to detail has flawed his too often. All the same, his career is unique in the acheivments made and the contribution to Aussie boxing must be recognised sooner than later, and recognised by boxing fans as a whole.

Best assett. Naturally gifted perception and class.
Worst assett.. None, if you ask him.

Best win. Matt Ropis. Johnny Layton. Monty Betham
Best loss. Chong-Pal Park. Colin Cassidy. Dave Russell etc etc etc.

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U dont think Samardin should be a little bit higher on the list? What about James Swan? I know he never went pro but he has some amazing handspeed.
No, I dont thin Cliff should be higher, or much higher anyway. He was fooled around with to the point of losing real interest and remains unproven in the best of his ability. Like the majority of Aboriginal fighters, there's always some fundamentals missing. Either bad managment or lack of serious interest in the game. They're a flawless bunch of fighters when it boils down to it, and any one of them was World Class in any era, given the right allowances.

I speak with Cliff quite often and his knowlege of these fighters is amazing- all inspired him in some way. I doubt he'd be annoyed at his own placing.. It's only my list, and it means sweet **** all in the end. To be honest, I'd much prefer to write about 100 of these guys in no particular order.. You'll understand why when the list of honourable mentions is made.
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7. Wally 'wait a while' Carr.

Heard of him??? He's another seemingly forgotten warrior that needs a reminder of. By the time Carr had engaged in 50 bouts, he'd faced Jeff Malcolm, Colin Cassidy and Matt Ropis. In moving up from a tall, spindly Featherweight to a tall spindley Lightweight, he'd had ups and downs and limited accolades. Throw together another 50 bouts and Australian title attempts through to the H/W Class- suddenly this guy is a freak. Wally Carr was a freak!! Deafeating future Lightweight Champ Matt Ropis in '74 holds a great deal of credit, as did a draw with flash Malcolm previously, yet Carr would harness the Aust LM/W , M/W, L/HW and Australasian LM/W Crowns- Fail in attempts for the C/W and H/W Crowns and box professionally with no real interest for 15 years. By the time a very flabby Carr had fun with Dave Russell whilst vying for the H/W Crown, the very last speckle of any seriousness was long gone from Carr.. When was Carr ever serious??? Perhaps never, as suggested by those close to him. When Jeff malcolm was awarded with his own ANBHOF Induction award, he remarked that he was honoured to be in the same room as Wally Carr and pointed out that Wally was the most incredible boxer he'd seen- taking the game seriously for a moment, he'd have been a World Champion without a doubt. Wally himself is definately a worthy candidate for induction to any sporting HoF, yet his lack of interest in training and attention to detail has flawed his too often. All the same, his career is unique in the acheivments made and the contribution to Aussie boxing must be recognised sooner than later, and recognised by boxing fans as a whole.

Best assett. Naturally gifted perception and class.
Worst assett.. None, if you ask him.

Best win. Matt Ropis. Johnny Layton. Monty Betham
Best loss. Chong-Pal Park. Colin Cassidy. Dave Russell etc etc etc.
Great fighter FLAMER....boxrec does not show it but is it possible he also win the Commonwealth (British Empire) Middleweight Champion and Australian Super-Middleweight Champion?

Is it true this guy fought in 13 divisions
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