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Old 03-25-2010, 06:03 PM   #46
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Default Re: Will Tysons record of youngest Champ ever be beaten?

I'm certainly an advocate of linear titles.

After all, there shouldn't be ''versions'' of a title. You either hold the bloody thing or you don't.

That's why I don't like fighters winning domestic titles then vacating them willy nilly. The more people hold the title or get the opportunity to contest it, the less valuable it becomes.

If everyone drove a Ferrari, having one wouldn't be such a big deal, would it?
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:05 PM   #47
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Yeah I'd still be phsyched about driving one


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Old 03-25-2010, 06:07 PM   #48
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I thought Spinks was semi-retired or at best inactive.

I'm no historian though and my memory is terrible these days.

However I do remember that Tyson was clearly the man and Spinks was thought of as perhaps the only challenge out there. No two ways about it, Tyson was the number one.

But lineal, maybe not. Was Spinks genuinely active?
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:08 PM   #49
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Yeah I'd still be phsyched about driving one


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Not if they were about 12k and every ****er had one!

I'm not really into cars anyway, whether you have an Astra or a S-Class they both do the same thing.
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:13 PM   #50
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It wasn't that Tyson wasn't unified champ that was the sticking point for me (or Lee Mc I'd guess) it was that Tyson hadn't beaten the active lineal champ around at that time (not Tysons fault of course). The fact he did beat him later doesn't "backdate" Tysons claim to the lineal championship.

Liston could have beaten Paterson years before he did but we don't date his reign early on the strenght of that.

Phew, I'm glad it's just the lineal thing, I was worried that there was some kind of horrendous trap coming up.

Lineal scminear... OK maybe technically, if you just want to play by linear rules, of which holes can be picked in such a method, but as far as I remember, everyone had Tyson down as the main man and also ABC wise he more than was.

I'm going to say he was champ, I'll leave you to tell him he wasn't.
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:41 PM   #51
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I think no way. Tyson was pretty much a fulltime boxer from 15/16-training to win the heavyweight championship, not aiming for the amateurs particularly. Remember he lived with cus so he was thinking about boxing and nothing else. Not like these days when jokers like fury who gets out of shape between fights. Tyson watched old tapes every night, apparently his boxing historical knowledge is probably one of th best in the world. He had no distractions, a clear aim and a great trainer who he had complete faith in.
So, no.
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:33 PM   #52
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Yes it can be broken..

How easy is it for a fighter to get a title shot these days..? easy

Mike Tyson had to fight his way to a title shot..

These days you don't have to earn your title shot, if the money is right..and your name fits the bill...

Your good to go..!

The rankings are **** aswell...
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:38 PM   #53
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Benitez's wins are more amazing. He completly out classed the great Antonio Cervantez while he was in his prime and Benitez was 17.
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:44 PM   #54
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Yes it can be broken..

How easy is it for a fighter to get a title shot these days..? easy

Mike Tyson had to fight his way to a title shot..

These days you don't have to earn your title shot, if the money is right..and your name fits the bill...

Your good to go..!

The rankings are **** aswell...
Bottom line is.....titles don't mean **** these days..!
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Old 03-26-2010, 06:25 AM   #55
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So because he only held one title that doesnt make him Champion??

so Nigel Benn nor Eubank were World Champions in your eyes then??
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Old 03-26-2010, 07:05 AM   #56
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Eventually maybe, but not for a while
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Old 03-26-2010, 08:17 AM   #57
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So because he only held one title that doesnt make him Champion??

so Nigel Benn nor Eubank were World Champions in your eyes then??
Tyson wasn't champion, he was A champion. Same with Benn and Eubank.

Tyson was older than Patterson when he became THE champion.
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Old 03-26-2010, 08:43 AM   #58
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But Tyson is the youngest person to hold A version of the Heavyweight title (Wbc always being the main one in my eyes)
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Old 03-26-2010, 09:06 AM   #59
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But Tyson is the youngest person to hold A version of the Heavyweight title (Wbc always being the main one in my eyes)
Yep, he won A version at the youngest age but the WBC wasn't the main HW belt at that time, it was getting passed around a succession of Larry Holmes victims.

Around time Holmes IBF title carried FAR more weight than either the WBC or WBA . Of course it had passed to Spinks before Tyson beat Berbick, with Spinks subsequently leaving the unification tournament and Tyson winning it added weight to Tysons claim to be the best HW in the world but he still wasn't the lineal champ or even holder of the "main belt" when he beat Berbick.
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Old 03-26-2010, 09:56 AM   #60
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I thought Spinks was semi-retired or at best inactive.

I'm no historian though and my memory is terrible these days.

However I do remember that Tyson was clearly the man and Spinks was thought of as perhaps the only challenge out there. No two ways about it, Tyson was the number one.

But lineal, maybe not. Was Spinks genuinely active?
he'd beaten holmes in 85 and 86.

althought the rematch was very controversial.

in other words spinks got very f*cking lucky indeed.

and he was due to fight tucker to defend his ibf title.

but spinks and butch lewis (his ****y bowed ***** of a promoter ) pulled out of the fight and waited it out for the winner of the tournament.

spinks had 2 easy paydays and got his cash out fight with tyson. he rode off into the sunset with a ****load of money and has kept a relatively low profile ever since.
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