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Old 03-26-2010, 09:39 AM   #61
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but spinks and butch lewis (his dicky bowed prick of a promoter ) pulled out of the fight and waited it out for the winner of the tournament.

Was tha the bloke in white suit , no shirt and the dickie bow?? i noticed him when watching thi fight recently
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Old 03-26-2010, 10:02 AM   #62
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I think no way. Tyson was pretty much a fulltime boxer from 15/16-training to win the heavyweight championship, not aiming for the amateurs particularly. Remember he lived with cus so he was thinking about boxing and nothing else. Not like these days when jokers like fury who gets out of shape between fights. Tyson watched old tapes every night, apparently his boxing historical knowledge is probably one of th best in the world. He had no distractions, a clear aim and a great trainer who he had complete faith in.
So, no.
Correct me if im wrong, but i've never seen Fury 'in-shape' for a fight.
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Old 03-26-2010, 11:57 AM   #63
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but spinks and butch lewis (his dicky bowed prick of a promoter ) pulled out of the fight and waited it out for the winner of the tournament.

Was tha the bloke in white suit , no shirt and the dickie bow?? i noticed him when watching thi fight recently
yeah that twat.

he didn't even see the finishing punch cos he's trying to get somebody's attention at ringside.

he's right over the apron from memory.

twat.
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Old 03-26-2010, 12:43 PM   #64
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he'd beaten holmes in 85 and 86.

althought the rematch was very controversial.

in other words spinks got very f*cking lucky indeed.

and he was due to fight tucker to defend his ibf title.

but spinks and butch lewis (his dicky bowed prick of a promoter ) pulled out of the fight and waited it out for the winner of the tournament.

spinks had 2 easy paydays and got his cash out fight with tyson. he rode off into the sunset with a shitload of money and has kept a relatively low profile ever since.
Ah I didn't recall the easy payday fights, Spinks wasn't really talked about in the mags I read, no surprise given the hype around Tyson at the time. I was brand new to boxing so I'm sketchy on that period.

To be fair lineal wasn't as big a deal then, if you won one of the main three straps, you were proclaimed a champ... the alphabets still had some credibility.
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Especially considering what Tyson did to Spinks, I don't think that argument holds too much water.

Anyway, Tyson at the time, was very much was seen as the man and was most certainly not seen in anyway to what Haye is seen now - who's HW title is more like Herbie Hide's WBO time, to that of Mike Tyson.
Herbie must deserve some credit for putting his title on the line against Bowe and in the second reign Vitali. Haye's WBA belt has as much credibility as Hide's WBO at the time, I agree.
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Old 03-26-2010, 03:00 PM   #66
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Herbie must deserve some credit for putting his title on the line against Bowe and in the second reign Vitali.

I agree and enjoyed the Bowe fight.

There's a thread on it on here somewhere...

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Old 03-26-2010, 03:02 PM   #67
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To be fair lineal wasn't as big a deal then, if you won one of the main three straps, you were proclaimed a champ... the alphabets still had some credibility.

This is how I remember it and the ABC's certainly held a lot more credit back then - Tyson, as we all know, held all three.
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Old 03-26-2010, 05:47 PM   #68
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Tyson was 20 years and 4 months when he beat Berbick for WBC,

What has Spinks got to do with it?
My point exactly! Spinks has NOTHING to do with when Tyson won the title. Tyson became UNIDISPUTED champion on Aug 1st 1987, whne he beat Tony Tucker. Spinks opted out of the HBO tournament!

If one of the fighters of the super 6 opted out, whoever the evntual winner turns out to be, would we say "oh no, he's not the champion as he has not fought that guy?" No we would not!

Tyson beat Berbick at 2o years old, making him the youngest title holder at HW in history! That will not be broken! What teenagers do you see comign through as good as Tyson when he was the same age?
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Old 03-26-2010, 06:51 PM   #69
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Is the lineal 168lb champion in the Super 6? If he was and opted out of the competition without losing then no, the winner of the tournament wouldn't be THE champ in my book.
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Old 03-26-2010, 07:12 PM   #70
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Is the lineal 168lb champion in the Super 6? If he was and opted out of the competition without losing then no, the winner of the tournament wouldn't be THE champ in my book.

So when Bowe threw the WBC belt in the bin and Lewis won it, Lewis wasn't the real WBC champ, Bowe still was.

OK.
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Old 03-26-2010, 07:16 PM   #71
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So when Bowe threw the WBC belt in the bin and Lewis won it, Lewis wasn't the real champ.

OK.
Lewis was the WBC champ like Tyson was, thats just a statement of fact. When they won those belts I didn't consider either to be the 'real' champ.
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Old 03-26-2010, 07:21 PM   #72
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Lewis was the WBC champ like Tyson was, thats just a statement of fact. When they won those belts I didn't consider either to be the 'real' champ.

Well when Tyson won every single belt in the division, I considered him to be champ, as I remember most people did.

As far as modern day comparisons go, ABC belts are viewed, very differently today, it's simply different times (as you well know).

Anyway, each to their own, but holding every single belt in a division, makes them the champ for me (especially 20 odd years ago).

As I said though, each to their own.
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Old 03-26-2010, 07:24 PM   #73
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Lewis was the WBC champ like Tyson was, thats just a statement of fact. When they won those belts I didn't consider either to be the 'real' champ.

So you think [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] the current and longstanding LHW champ?
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Old 03-26-2010, 07:26 PM   #74
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So you think [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] the current LHW champ?


Erdie is a long running PITA to those of us who support lineal titles. But, yes, I have to take the rough with the smooth and Erdei is the 175lb champ unfortunatly.
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Old 03-26-2010, 07:28 PM   #75
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Well when Tyson won every single belt in the division, I considered him to be champ, as I remember most people did.

As far as modern day comparisons go, ABC belts are viewed, very differently today, it's simply different times (as you well know).

Anyway, each to their own, but holding every single belt in a division, makes them the champ for me (especially 20 odd years ago).

As I said though, each to their own.
The Ring still recognized Spinks....
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