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Old 03-20-2010, 10:04 AM   #1
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Default WBA and an example of why ts not to be taken serious aymore

doesnt take much research to find out things, this is just one i checked into.
its bad enough with that heavyweight circus of belt holders

Remember Kesslers "mandatory #1 contender" before the ward fight

Gusmyr Perdomo who was 16-2

his 3 fights leading up to his fight with kessler were

a loss in 2007 to dimitir sartison

a win in 2008 against 37-7 hector velasco

a win in 2008 against a 14 win 17 loss Laurent Gaury

2009 and a year later he gets destroyed and didnt land a punch on kessler
in 2 round mismatch

WBA #1 contender with 16 big ol wins against NO ONE EVER in top 10
3 fights in 3 years going 2-1 and fighting a guy with 17 losses

Perdoma the WBA # 1 contender was from Venezuela

the WBA headquarters and presidents the last 20 years are where?
Venezuela



nah, no corruption and the titles are legit,,,,,


it doesnt matter how good you think ruiz is or how bad the division is, the fact is if you are a heavyweight and since 2005 engage in only 7 fights, and you lose 4 of them and the 3 that you win are against no one even ranked in the top 20, how are you a mandatory? ANSWER - because if the guy above can be a mandatory for his division, then anything is possible.
getting a shot is one thing, making him "1" is another
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Old 03-20-2010, 10:23 AM   #2
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Probably IBO can be rated higher in the future if not alsl nowadays


WBA is now in German hands-->Wilfried Sauerland and he decide who vs who. Probably when there wasn't a deal with him and Haye, Haye vs Valuev fight have ended in a draw
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Old 03-20-2010, 12:04 PM   #3
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good research, i agree with you 100%, i was confused why ruiz was the no.1 mandatory contender in the first place, he's been inactive and has lost a number of times, haye should demolish him!
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Old 03-20-2010, 12:15 PM   #4
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Can't really fault anything the original poster said. What's more of a joke is the super champions status etc.

E.g. Chris John WBA featherweight super champion. Then Yuri Gamboa fighting for the WBa featherweight championship that's vacant? WTF?
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Old 03-20-2010, 12:18 PM   #5
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It's not just the WBA...you have to look at a number of fighters moving up and down weight classes who jumping straight into title fights without doing anything prior in that weight class to merit a title shot.

People slag Haye off for not doing anything in the HW division and then getting his title shot. But he did more in the HW division than Manny Pacquiao did in the Light Welterweight division and the Welterweight division.

The organisations are happy to put anybody in for a world title as long as the fee's are right. For me, the most creditable of these is the WBC and I generally regard their title holders as the genuine title holder for that weight class, well that and the Ring Magazine title holder.

There's no proper ranking system. We need a ranking system based on points and contenders need to merit their opportunities through hard work in each division that earns them a title shot.

David Haye got his title shot at HW after he became the undisputed champion at Cruiserweight and so I suppose with how things are today that would merit a shot at a HW World Title. Manny (though as worthy a champion as many) jumped from weight class to weight class snatching as many titles as he could without unifying any divisions nor meriting his opportunities.
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Old 03-20-2010, 12:33 PM   #6
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It's not just the WBA...you have to look at a number of fighters moving up and down weight classes who jumping straight into title fights without doing anything prior in that weight class to merit a title shot.

People slag Haye off for not doing anything in the HW division and then getting his title shot. But he did more in the HW division than Manny Pacquiao did in the Light Welterweight division and the Welterweight division.

The organisations are happy to put anybody in for a world title as long as the fee's are right. For me, the most creditable of these is the WBC and I generally regard their title holders as the genuine title holder for that weight class, well that and the Ring Magazine title holder.

There's no proper ranking system. We need a ranking system based on points and contenders need to merit their opportunities through hard work in each division that earns them a title shot.

David Haye got his title shot at HW after he became the undisputed champion at Cruiserweight and so I suppose with how things are today that would merit a shot at a HW World Title. Manny (though as worthy a champion as many) jumped from weight class to weight class snatching as many titles as he could without unifying any divisions nor meriting his opportunities.
The WBO made Pacquiao the number one contender at welterweight despite him not even beating a ranked welterweight before, just to back Cotto into a corner about putting the belt on the line at a catchweight which he didn't want to do.
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Old 03-21-2010, 02:26 AM   #7
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Carl Davis Drummond
resides in Costa Rica
he fights in costa rica
he fights either really bad guys or cruiserweights who have gained 40-50 pounds in a years time
heres how he got his crack at the WBA "Champ" in Chagev in 2008

2007 Sedreck Fields 22 wins 32 losses
2007 Saul Farah 24-4-1
2007 Kelvin Davis 24-6-1 CRUSIERWEIGHT
2007 Edgar Da Silva 26 wins 10 losses
2008 Luis Andres Pineda 21-6 (got kod by adamek as cruiserweight a few years ago, weighed 244 pounds vs drummond)
2008 Alejandro Agustin Alvarez 13 wins 8 losses (cruiserweight)
this guy alvarez fought a year prior at 195 pounds, was 230 for this fight
2008 Ruslan Chagev- for the WBA heavyweight title
2009 Next fight after his world title challenge loses EVERY ROUND vs Derrick Rossy in hollywood, florida
just quit in his corner in round 3 of the Solis fight , key west , florida

HOW BAD IS THAT? Obviously Drummond being a coasta rican and once again Venezuelan based WBA gives a guy a chance a whats supposed to be a world championship belt. Whats the connection? this guy is a joke...he feeds on stiffs , stiffs, stiffs, not one dude he fought was EVER ranked.....ita amazing no one calls this out.....he went from a "world title threat" to a guy who cant win a round in a period of 1 year? man, this is so blatantly corrupt
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Old 03-21-2010, 02:35 AM   #8
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yeah we should of stopped regarding it a legit sanction when they started gaving out super champion titles. Its a total cluster F**k now, Irish fans consider Bernard Dunne as a former world champion and Cubans are considering Gamboa as a world title holder, but they arent! Its a total scam by the WBA for you all to buy tickets or pay for the PPVs.
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Old 03-21-2010, 10:13 AM   #9
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heres another funny fact

for the entire decade of the 2000's

there were only 11 WBA crusierweight title fights

there were 19 WBA heavyweight title fights

John Ruiz was in 11 and soon to be 12 of them

Valeuv was in 8

chagaev 3

from 2000 to 2010

its like their own league of 5 or 6 guys....in 10 years there wasnt another heavyweight out there to fight these guys besides monte barrett, matt skelton, owen beck, jamile mccline, carl davis drummond.....

klitschkos were the guys of the 2000's, funny how they arent even in 1 fight ....
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Old 03-21-2010, 10:14 AM   #10
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All these sanctioning bodies are corrupt disgraces.
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thats shockin hahahaha what ruiz has done over the last few years to warrant that sort of priority in title fights is beyond me.
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Old 03-21-2010, 10:16 AM   #12
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All these sanctioning bodies are corrupt disgraces.
probably true...but this one stands out as the worst and most obvious
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thats shockin hahahaha what ruiz has done over the last few years to warrant that sort of priority in title fights is beyond me.
well, i keep hearing from from people saying even those he lose 4 out of his last 7 they were really kinda disputed decisions
the 3 guys that he actually beat since 2005 had a combine 36 losses and were unranked (and no one seems to address that)
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Old 03-21-2010, 10:19 AM   #14
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I like the IBO. I think their ratings guy is on this forum as well
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Toatal ****ing disgrace. There's a good doc on youtube called boxings dark side or something. Shows how bent the IBF was/is and how Don King ran it.
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