Danny Green.... Open letter to RJJ

[boxoncottonon]

Originally Posted by 20a87

Your ridiculous logic has already been addressed in my longer post. I will address your horrific attempt at a put down fresh from the 1920's when dance halls were still in existence, I imagine you can quickly clear a room when you start firing out your one liners in social situations, I hear the tumbleweeds won't even turn up to a party when you are the host.

Instead of making an immature smart ass retort, why not have a go at my "riduculous logic" regarding "World class".

Your logic refers to elite athletes competing at the highest level when they are vulnerable, ie; unfitt, wieght drained, to small....wah wah...excuses not acceptable anecdotes to the definition.

Let's see it smart ass, stick to the rational facts!

world-class (wûrldhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gifklhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/abreve.gifshttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gif)adj.1. Ranking among the foremost in the world; of an international standard of excellence; of the highest order: a world-class boxer.
2. Great, as in importance, concern, or notoriety.

These are some definitions kid.

[Rodin]

Originally Posted by stiflers mum

gee Jeff is up to his old tricks again.after wrongly predicting all his fighters and Echols to beat Mundine hes now turning his atention to Green.
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let it go Jeff you are the best home grown boxer we've had
but your predictons rarely come true.still bitter about dumping Green to join the Tyson circus and missing out on the Mundine pay day.

I remember Jeff making (I think) his first TV running commentary.
Marty Feighan was fighting Mark Cribb.
Mark was giving slow starter Marty a boxing lesson in the first round.
Jeff had him beat there & then.
Round two & Jeff was making comments like "Marty needs to find another sport/profession"
Near the end of the round, things start to change a bit but it didn't phase jeffs opinion.
Round 3 & Marty got his distances worked out & started getting the good ones home. Bang,,, down goes Mark.
He get's up & starts stamping his feet to shake off the pins & needles.
Marty moves in for the coop de grace & it was all over red rover.

Wasn't one of Jeffs better nights.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

As you'll have worked out for yourself by now guys we're dealing with someone who only hears what he wants to hear - the type that go through their lives never improving because they don't listen.

Wait til he gets into long trousers. Assuming he hangs around here making a fool of himself that long.

First Mundine loss and he won't be seen for dust though.

[boxoncottonon]

Originally Posted by COULDHAVEBEEN

As you'll have worked out for yourself by now BCN were're dealing with someone who only hears what he wants to hear - the type that go through their lives never improving because they don't listen.

Wait til he gets into long trousers if he hangs around here making an arse of himself long enough.

CBH....the kid has some very loose ideas but hopefully he is using his experience on here for educational purposes and by the time he sprouts pubes his ideas will mature.

[Rodin]

Originally Posted by 20a87

Glad to see you vary what type of stick you get the wrong end of, today you have chosen the yardstick.

Marquez must not be world class if he didn't get the result from his pacquiao, john, mayweather fights judging by your twisted logic and unique perception of the sport you profess to be a fan of.
I don't know which circus you escaped from but they are missing on hell of a clown.



I good just put "in your opinion" for my response, but seeing as you don't seem to be a bile spewing poster I will elaborate.

I appreciate your acceptance of me.

I know I've already cited marquez to the guy above but he is an example of a guy who has narrowly lost to pacquiao, chris john pbf etc.

Rightly so he is deemed a "world class" fighter however I could nitpick at pacquiao's record (cotto damaged, oscar weight drained, morales shot) or pbf's record (hatton too small, oscar shot etc). So if you consider a guy to be world class on who he fights it still comes down to opinion and ultimately the top tier fighters are there because of their top tier skills.

Too much emphasis is placed on records but then again that dismisses the opponents of the likes of mayweather and calzaghe so again it comes down to opinion.

I've got all of the katsidis fights that are readily available and I really admire his style and heart etc but his path hasn't made him automatically world class, in my opinion he is, but anyone could argue he was knocked out by an old casamayor, beaten by diaz coming off a ko, fighting the likes of earl and now a largely unheralded mitchell after beating an old chavez and a green escobedo.

The notion of "world class" is only opinion and always will be, and that is why the fans of the sport have these forums for debate and discussion. It's similiar to the notion of "pound for pound".

Mate, world class is a transistional state. Fighters come & fighters go.
I don't know where you've developed this notion that fans decide whose world class or not.
The people making the fights promotors trainers etc are ducking, dodging, cajoling & pandering to the world class, because they have fought their way into contention.

My opinion of Nedal Hussein was world class, but that was on potential. Getting the right fights at the right time.
It was not to be. He was never afforded the chance to prove he was & when he finally started to get a look in. His day had passed him by.
It had nothing to do with paquiou. It was my opinion on potential.

Don't confuse World class with world champion.
Many world class fighter don't win credentialed belts, but they are long remembered.
Go the distance with a current top tenner will get them pretty close.
No one is going to write a fighter off in the first few fights because if they know what they are talking about, they will tell you "He's in the big league now. It's not how good you were to get here it's how much you learn & adapt from here on in."
That's World class.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Originally Posted by boxoncottonon

CBH....the kid has some very loose ideas but hopefully he is using his experience on here for educational purposes and by the time he sprouts pubes his ideas will mature.

If you don't listen, you don't learn. It's that simple!

...as we well know and he don't.

Haven't encountered someone so obsessive about someone this side of the law before.

His defenciveness and inability to accept irrefutable facts in matters Mundine is an unhealthy fanatisism not seen here since Luds was institutionalised!

[20a87]

Originally Posted by COULDHAVEBEEN

That should have read:

'It's funny your mouth always seems to dry up after I make sense.'

...and in my 'defence' that's not very often sonny!

It's hard to put an old head on young shoulders - maturity will come for you in time, but if you learnt to listen it could come that bit quicker!

You have two ears and though a big one, only one mouth - LEARN TO PAY ATTENTION MORE!

Every time we "debate" a facet of boxing you make yourself look stupid, it reads just fine and rings true. You end up with no decent reply and try and play some sort of age/maturity card in the hope of saving face. I don't get it, you seem to have no confidence in your convictions which is the mark of a sheep.

Originally Posted by boxoncottonon

Instead of making an immature smart ass retort, why not have a go at my "riduculous logic" regarding "World class".

Your logic refers to elite athletes competing at the highest level when they are vulnerable, ie; unfitt, wieght drained, to small....wah wah...excuses not acceptable anecdotes to the definition.

Let's see it smart ass, stick to the rational facts!

world-class (wûrldhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gifklhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/abreve.gifshttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gif)adj.1. Ranking among the foremost in the world; of an international standard of excellence; of the highest order: a world-class boxer.
2. Great, as in importance, concern, or notoriety.

These are some definitions kid.

Making a run at dumbest post in this thread?

Your logic is the same logic i've already countered in a previous post, scroll up and read it and just apply it to your errant ramblings. As you and couldhavebeen both seem to view this as a mundine debate which it isn't then the above definition makes him world class in your eyes. You and couldhavebeen are just posting contradiction after contradiction.

Originally Posted by COULDHAVEBEEN

As you'll have worked out for yourself by now guys we're dealing with someone who only hears what he wants to hear - the type that go through their lives never improving because they don't listen.

Wait til he gets into long trousers. Assuming he hangs around here making a fool of himself that long.

First Mundine loss and he won't be seen for dust though.

Still no counter argument? Lost for words? Silly insults don't mask your lack of knowledge. The fact that you are saying I don't listen is irony at it's finest considering the ridiculous irrelevant tangents you veer off to during a debate. But you always raise a smile a guess. You have tried to 'save face' so much in the last few weeks another post from you should see it flat lining.

Originally Posted by boxoncottonon

CBH....the kid has some very loose ideas but hopefully he is using his experience on here for educational purposes and by the time he sprouts pubes his ideas will mature.

Translation: Can't argue with logic, better try a petty insult.

Are you copying couldhavebeen's recipe for awful posting? At least it's a step up from your dancing "humour".

Originally Posted by Rodin

Mate, world class is a transistional state. Fighters come & fighters go.
I don't know where you've developed this notion that fans decide whose world class or not.
The people making the fights promotors trainers etc are ducking, dodging, cajoling & pandering to the world class, because they have fought their way into contention.

My opinion of Nedal Hussein was world class, but that was on potential. Getting the right fights at the right time.
It was not to be. He was never afforded the chance to prove he was & when he finally started to get a look in. His day had passed him by.
It had nothing to do with paquiou. It was my opinion on potential.

Don't confuse World class with world champion.
Many world class fighter don't win credentialed belts, but they are long remembered.
Go the distance with a current top tenner will get them pretty close.
No one is going to write a fighter off in the first few fights because if they know what they are talking about, they will tell you "He's in the big league now. It's not how good you were to get here it's how much you learn & adapt from here on in."
That's World class.

Don't get delusions of grandeur because I gave your post a considered response, I don't need anybody's "acceptance" as I have a spine.

You, me couldhavebeen and boxoncotton have all put forward differing opinions on what constitutes world class, there wasn't a uniform response or definition among us.

You can't definitively say a prospect is world class, and as far as it being a transitional state I understand where you are coming from but at what point does it become "cherrypicking" fighters on they're way out because like you said previously you define it as someone who will:

"fight anyone that is in that group & who got there with decisive victories over quality fighters."

You can't make a concrete definition of it in terms of boxing, and like I said that's why fans of the sport debate aspects such as resume, prime and so on....

Originally Posted by COULDHAVEBEEN

If you don't listen, you don't learn. It's that simple!

...as we well know and he don't.

Haven't encountered someone so obsessive about someone this side of the law before.

His defenciveness and inability to accept irrefutable facts in matters Mundine is an unhealthy fanatisism not seen here since Luds was institutionalised!

You don't even read or understand a simple debate, the debate shifted from mundine to defining world class a while ago

The day you post something approaching a fact will be a memorable one and a true milestone.

I think I have you sussed anyway :

Shoehorn into a debate something irrelevant by accident.

Try and backtrack, fail and make a longer post slightly more relevant.

Contradict self and humiliate self.

Try desperately to save face, fail.

Make numerous posts with ridiculous insults to bury evidence of your humiliation.

Wipe your brow at avoiding addressing the core issue, assure yourself you were in the right anyway. Move onto another thread and repeat.

[flamengo]

Guys.. I've placed 20mumsanarabwhoremuslimslut87 on 'ignore list'... The dopey Mundine arse licker can write all the dribble it likes.. and I cant see it..

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA..

I recommend you all do the same.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Don't need to officially ignore him mate. I just scan his posts for something that makes any valid sense and only read that section - as you'd imagine it doesn't take a lot of my time.

Rodin has been very objective in his assessments and very patient with the little twerp, but do you reckon he'll listen to a voice of reason?

No the ignorant nobody just continues to ask variations of exactly the same question in the hope of getting the answer he wants to hear. Little wonder nobody else at ESB rates him more than a waste of space.

Facts and figures are only a temporary hurdle to Mundine's No 1 little cheerleader! Still, with Kronk gone and Ty on a sabatical we need a stooge around to laugh at.

[JOSEY WALES]

Originally Posted by flamengo

Guys.. I've placed 20mumsanarabwhoremuslimslut87 on 'ignore list'... The dopey Mundine arse licker can write all the dribble it likes.. and I cant see it..

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA..

I recommend you all do the same.

.......................................Done.

[oztriker]

Originally Posted by JOSEY WALES

.......................................Done.

Me too...

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

As you will have seen 20a87 you are currently rated ESB's biggest joke - but you probably have been since Luds left.

There's nobody here that supports or even respects your distorted, inflexible views. Even knowledgeable, patient types like Rodin who's forgotten more than you'll ever learn, shake their head at your ridiculous fanatasism.

While you are writing 'I love Mundine' on your schoolbooks during the day, most of us here are working respectable jobs. It's a lot to do with the fact that we have the ability to think and reason, and you don't!

Bye for now our little resident Mundine cheerleader!

[20a87]

Originally Posted by flamengo

Guys.. I've placed 20mumsanarabwhoremuslimslut87 on 'ignore list'... The dopey Mundine arse licker can write all the dribble it likes.. and I cant see it..

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA..

I recommend you all do the same.

Originally Posted by COULDHAVEBEEN

Don't need to officially ignore him mate. I just scan his posts for something that makes any valid sense and only read that section - as you'd imagine it doesn't take a lot of my time.

Rodin has been very objective in his assessments and very patient with the little twerp, but do you reckon he'll listen to a voice of reason?

No the ignorant nobody just continues to ask variations of exactly the same question in the hope of getting the answer he wants to hear. Little wonder nobody else at ESB rates him more than a waste of space.

Facts and figures are only a temporary hurdle to Mundine's No 1 little cheerleader! Still, with Kronk gone and Ty on a sabatical we need a stooge around to laugh at.

It's nice to see my new verbal punchbag has at least one vertebrae in place, at least you aren't so pathetic you have to hide away on a forum behind an ignore function.

Next steps are to actually answer a relevant question and post something that is not nonsensical gibbering.

Originally Posted by JOSEY WALES

.......................................Done.

Pervy Phony wouldn't put me on ignore, after all he himself has stated in the past that to do such a thing would be pathetic, but then again he is a proven liar.

Originally Posted by oztriker

Me too...

Originally Posted by COULDHAVEBEEN

As you will have seen 20a87 you are currently rated ESB's biggest joke - but you probably have been since Luds left.

There's nobody here that supports or even respects your distorted, inflexible views. Even knowledgeable, patient types like Rodin who's forgotten more than you'll ever learn, shake their head at your ridiculous fanatasism.

While you are writing 'I love Mundine' on your schoolbooks during the day, most of us here are working respectable jobs. It's a lot to do with the fact that we have the ability to think and reason, and you don't!

Bye for now our little resident Mundine cheerleader!

Rated by fist magazine ?

It wasn't a mundine debate you clown , please just read the thread again and place a check against your MO points:

Shoehorn into a debate something irrelevant by accident.

Try and backtrack, fail and make a longer post slightly more relevant.

Contradict self and humiliate self.

Try desperately to save face, fail.

Make numerous posts with ridiculous insults to bury evidence of your humiliation.

Wipe your brow at avoiding addressing the core issue, assure yourself you were in the right anyway. Move onto another thread and repeat.

I know you love having 4 or 5 people who validate your stance on my thinking but if you examine what they write it is consistently bile/lame/wrong/creepy/weird.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Yet more pathetic dribble from our little resident Mundine cheerleader!

Would advise saving time on your typing. Nobodies reading the crap, let alone taking any notice of it.

Good luck with your exams baby!

[Sox]

Originally Posted by COULDHAVEBEEN

Don't need to officially ignore him mate. I just scan his posts for something that makes any valid sense and only read that section - as you'd imagine it doesn't take a lot of my time.

I don't 'ignore' anyone either, no matter how much of a douche they are.
There's always some comedy relief with these kind of nutters, and 20anus87 is one of the best I've seen in a while.
The poor fella doesn't even realise how idiotic he is, I can only feel pity for him.

No the ignorant nobody just continues to ask variations of exactly the same question in the hope of getting the answer he wants to hear. Little wonder nobody else at ESB rates him more than a waste of space.

Well, except maybe Teke and Ash, the poor souls.

Facts and figures are only a temporary hurdle to Mundine's No 1 little cheerleader! Still, with Kronk gone and Ty on a sabatical we need a stooge around to laugh at.

You got it.