Jack Johsnon news reads. Battling Jim, MCvey, Jeanette, and Langford!

[Mendoza]

I have some news archives on some of Jack Johnson's clips. Did you know H.D. McIntosh, the famous promoter who put on Burns vs Johnson, offered $50,000 for Johnson to fight Langford, andr McVey, but Johnson did not take it? Jeanette's manger offered $30,000 for the match. So much for the theory that Johnson could make more money fighting the Flynn's, Ross', and Kaufman's of boxing. Johnson is quotes saying he will sign. In fact he did, but the fights did not happen.

Here is the fight review of Jack Johnson vs Battling Jim Johnson. This was history's first all black gloved heavyweight title fight. The true story is the fight was scheduled for 20 rounds, but Jack Johnson quit in the 10th frame. Also, the belt was in dispute after the fight. Read the review and decide for yourself who should have won.

Here's is news read from the New York Times. Enjoy. I plan on posting a few threads on old news reads here. Mostly on historical data that has been misunderstood by " internet " rumors.

Enjoy the reads. I hope the links work.


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[McGrain]

Cool read.

What's the skinny on the $50,000 for the Langford fight?

I'll look forward to reading your other links.

[Mendoza]

Johnson vs Jeanette almost happened:

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[Mendoza]

Johnson vs Demspey? Almost! Some say the fight happened in Canada, though there is only one report, which could very well be a fake.

Here's the lead up to the match that might have been, which Dempsey was reported to win via TKO.

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More info. Another read:
JACK JOHNSON HERE, LOOKING HIS BEST; Ex-Champion Thinks He "Could Lick Dempsey"--To Spend Ten Days in Harlem.

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July 23, 1921, Saturday


He admits that he is trying to come back, but to look at Jack Johnson you never could tell that he had passed his heyday. The big negro ex-champion arrived in New York yesterday aboard the Twentieth Century Limited from Chicago, looking more like 25 than the 40-odd years he acknowledges.

[Mendoza]

JACK JOHNSON TO SIGN.; Champion Expects $100,000 for Bouts with Langford, McVey, and Flynn.

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October 12, 1912, Saturday


CHICAGO, Oct. 11. -- Jack Johnson, champion heavyweight pugilist, announced here to-day that he exptets to sign articles to-morrow to fight Sam Langford and Sam McVey in Australia and Jim Flynn in Paris. Something in the neighborhood of $100,000 is involved in the three bouts contemplated by the champion.

[Mendoza]

JACK JOHNSON SIGNS.; Negro to Get $50,000 for Bouts with Langford and McVey.

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October 13, 1912, Sunday





CHICAGO, Oct. 12. -- Jack Johnson tonight announced that he had accepted the offer of $50,000 to fight Sam Langford and Sam McVey in Australia, made by Hugh D. McIntosh. He will leave Chicago on Oct. 25 for Australia and train there. He will fight Langford on Dec. 26

>>Link to be posted later by me.

[dmt]

nice links Mendoza

[mattdonnellon]

nice report on jim johnson bout. tnkx.

[Luigi1985]

Originally Posted by Mendoza

I have some news archives on some of Jack Johnson's clips. Did you know H.D. McIntosh, the famous promoter who put on Burns vs Johnson, offered $50,000 for Johnson to fight Langford, andr McVey, but Johnson did not take it? Jeanette's manger offered $30,000 for the match. So much for the theory that Johnson could make more money fighting the Flynn's, Ross', and Kaufman's of boxing. Johnson is quotes saying he will sign. In fact he did, but the fights did not happen.

Here is the fight review of Jack Johnson vs Battling Jim Johnson. This was history's first all black gloved heavyweight title fight. The true story is the fight was scheduled for 20 rounds, but Jack Johnson quit in the 10th frame. Also, the belt was in dispute after the fight. Read the review and decide for yourself who should have won.

Here's is news read from the New York Times. Enjoy. I plan on posting a few threads on old news reads here. Mostly on historical data that has been misunderstood by " internet " rumors.

Enjoy the reads. I hope the links work.


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Great fight reports, Mendoza. I would like to know what posters like Clay II say now...

[PowerPuncher]

Originally Posted by Mendoza

Johnson is quotes saying he will sign. In fact he did, but the fights did not happen.
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So he signed to the fights but they didnt happen? Sounds like the promoters couldnt get the purses together they promised

[PowerPuncher]

Originally Posted by Mendoza

Read the review and decide for yourself who should have won.
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It seems like back then if you sustained an injury you could pull out without losing. In these days it sounds wrong but if that was the norm back then, than so be it.

You also have to question if the press themselves were biased against the unpopular champion

[OLD FOGEY]

Originally Posted by Mendoza

I have some news archives on some of Jack Johnson's clips. Did you know H.D. McIntosh, the famous promoter who put on Burns vs Johnson, offered $50,000 for Johnson to fight Langford, andr McVey, but Johnson did not take it? Jeanette's manger offered $30,000 for the match. So much for the theory that Johnson could make more money fighting the Flynn's, Ross', and Kaufman's of boxing. Johnson is quotes saying he will sign. In fact he did, but the fights did not happen.

Here is the fight review of Jack Johnson vs Battling Jim Johnson. This was history's first all black gloved heavyweight title fight. The true story is the fight was scheduled for 20 rounds, but Jack Johnson quit in the 10th frame. Also, the belt was in dispute after the fight. Read the review and decide for yourself who should have won.

Here's is news read from the New York Times. Enjoy. I plan on posting a few threads on old news reads here. Mostly on historical data that has been misunderstood by " internet " rumors.

Enjoy the reads. I hope the links work.


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Very, very interesting. Johnson does not seem to have done much really after the Jeffries bout other than edge Moran. Maybe they felt a champion should not lose his belt on an injury, but the critics who say Johnson lucked out seem to have the better case. It certainly makes you question whether Johnson could have handled any of the black dynamite fighters after 1912 or so.
One question, though--I am confused about the scheduled length of the bout. Where exactly does it say it was for twenty rounds?

[janitor]

Originally Posted by Mendoza

Here is the fight review of Jack Johnson vs Battling Jim Johnson. This was history's first all black gloved heavyweight title fight. The true story is the fight was scheduled for 20 rounds, but Jack Johnson quit in the 10th frame. [URL="********query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9806E1D6103FE633A25753C2A9649D946296D6CF&oref=slogin"]********query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9806E1D6103FE633A25753C2A9649D946296D6CF&oref=slogin[/URL]

The article clearly states that the bout was scheduled for 10 rounds and that Johnson finished the bout.

[janitor]

Originally Posted by Mendoza

I have some news archives on some of Jack Johnson's clips. Did you know H.D. McIntosh, the famous promoter who put on Burns vs Johnson, offered $50,000 for Johnson to fight Langford, andr McVey, but Johnson did not take it? Jeanette's manger offered $30,000 for the match. So much for the theory that Johnson could make more money fighting the Flynn's, Ross', and Kaufman's of boxing. Johnson is quotes saying he will sign. In fact he did, but the fights did not happen.

You have to look at the time line here-

1912

Jun 21
Johnson indicted for smugling a diamond necklace.

Oct 11
Johnson signs to fight Langford and McVea in Australia

Oct 12
Johnson arested under the mann act (I believe McIntosh withdrew his offer following Johnson being charged)

1913

Jan 23
Johnson Jeanette close to being signed

May 14
Johnson convicted under the mann act (an offer now efectivley dead in the water)


I believe Johnson was also offered $30 000 to fight Sam McVea in Russia around this time.


In summary it cannot be said that any of these offers came under ideal circumstances. They all came late in Johnsons title reign and while he was subject to legal proceedings.

[Mendoza]

Originally Posted by janitor

You have to look at the time line here-

1912

Jun 21
Johnson indicted for smugling a diamond necklace.

Oct 11
Johnson signs to fight Langford and McVea in Australia

Oct 12
Johnson arested under the mann act (I believe McIntosh withdrew his offer following Johnson being charged)

1913

Jan 23
Johnson Jeanette close to being signed

May 14
Johnson convicted under the mann act (an offer now efectivley dead in the water)

I believe Johnson was also offered $30 000 to fight Sam McVea in Russia around this time.

In summary it cannot be said that any of these offers came under ideal circumstances. They all came late in Johnsons title reign and while he was subject to legal proceedings.

Janitor,

Lets be realistic here. Johnson could have fought anyone he wanted to in France, Australia, or Great Brittan.

Johnson fought Flynn in the USA in July, 1912. This means the USA was in play for Johnson.

Johnson fought Jim " battling " Johnson in France in December, 1913. Johnson could have fought Jeanette, Langford, or McVey in France or the other countires.

Without a doubt, the money was on the table for real title fights for Johnson, and he balked. H.D. Mcintoish, and the other mangers put the money up. These news paper clips show Johnson saying one thing, and doing another. It also shows that Johnson was willing to fight McVey, and the friend ship between the two had nothing to do with a fight happening.

As for the Battling Jim Johnson fight, the French papers say it was a 20 round match, and so does the Cyber boxing Zone.