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Old 03-31-2010, 01:58 AM   #1
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Tyson, Tua, Frazier, Qawi. Is the swarming style the most entertaining out there? Does anyone not enjoy watching this style?
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Old 03-31-2010, 02:00 AM   #2
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Not worth it when pay to see a fight and the swarmer KOs his opponent in the real early rounds.
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Old 03-31-2010, 02:02 AM   #3
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I enjoy the knockouts although it can be a bit of a bummer when you've paid 50 dollars. I would much rather watch an early KO than a drawn out decision.
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they're are cool, especially to those who don't care for the science of the sport. but i like technical boxers. hit without being hit. seems like the best strategy to me.
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Fenech, Cuevas, early Barerra - Fun style!
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Old 03-31-2010, 02:44 AM   #6
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Depends on the fan....when you use the terms "most entertaining"....A purest, will always favor a pure boxer over a swarmer....Then you have fans who stricly just like brutality, KO's, etc....They would favor the swarmers...

It's called boxing, not "Knockouts" nor "swarming"...
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Old 03-31-2010, 02:45 AM   #7
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Kassim Ouma is a great example. Pacquiao in his fight with Clottey did a lot of swarming.
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Old 03-31-2010, 02:47 AM   #8
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they're are cool, especially to those who don't care for the science of the sport. but i like technical boxers. hit without being hit. seems like the best strategy to me.
So swarming isn't scientific? The sweet science isn't just about defense.
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Old 03-31-2010, 02:49 AM   #9
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Depends on the fan....when you use the terms "most entertaining"....A purest, will always favor a pure boxer over a swarmer....Then you have fans who stricly just like brutality, KO's, etc....They would favor the swarmers...

It's called boxing, not "Knockouts" nor "swarming"...
That's unsurprising coming from someone with Paulie Malinaggi as their avatar.

PS: It's purist.

PPS: Plenty of great swarmers in history without one punch KO power - Fenech for example.
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Old 03-31-2010, 02:50 AM   #10
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swarmers can apply to fighters who don't have big power like Juan Diaz at 135. the guy was pretty fun to watch tho never stopped punching and seemed to never get tired.
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they're are cool, especially to those who don't care for the science of the sport. but i like technical boxers. hit without being hit. seems like the best strategy to me.
Swarmers have an advantage over counter-punchers and defense-minded boxers. Counter-punchers tend to have low volume of punches, and react to what the other boxer is doing. But it's hard to react and counter-punch when someone is throwing so many punches at you. And since a counter-puncher has low volume output, it's hard for them to score more points than the swarmer. Against defense-minded boxers, it keeps them at bay from opening up, and at the same time some of their punches will land and score.
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Old 03-31-2010, 03:17 AM   #12
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they're are cool, especially to those who don't care for the science of the sport. but i like technical boxers. hit without being hit. seems like the best strategy to me.
You can't simply apply that style to everyone, just as you can't make someone a swarmer, or an outboxer, etc.

The objective, just like any other sport, is to simply find a way to win and then do so.
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Old 03-31-2010, 03:47 AM   #13
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Depends on the fan....when you use the terms "most entertaining"....A purest, will always favor a pure boxer over a swarmer....Then you have fans who stricly just like brutality, KO's, etc....They would favor the swarmers...

It's called boxing, not "Knockouts" nor "swarming"...
This is a misconception that I'm seeing more and more, and I don't know why.

Many swarmers have combined terrific defensive skills to go along with their come forward/punches-in-bunches styles. A purist can appreciate that just as much as a pure boxer, because it takes a lot of skill, anticipation, reflexes to avoid punches when coming forward, to get in close, and work in there with proper punch selection/placement/variety.

In fact, a lot of swarmers haven't had much KO power. Look at Fighting Harada, Jake LaMotta, etc.

Boxing isn't solely about moving around the ring using a jab and some movement (like the guy in your avatar). That's a singular style - one of many - but it isn't advantageous for those at height disadvantages or reach disadvantages. Watching them do their thing against taller guys or pure boxer types is absolutely BEAUTIFUL when done right.

There isn't one style that exemplifies boxing at it's finest. Bottom line.

Who's more of a master of the sweet science? Paulie Malignaggi or Pac? Ivan Calderon or Jung Koo Chang? Chris Byrd or Joe Frazier? Lionel Rose or Ruben Olivares? Chris John or Jeff Fenech?

See what I'm mean? The madness needs to STOP.
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I enjoy the knockouts although it can be a bit of a bummer when you've paid 50 dollars. I would much rather watch an early KO than a drawn out decision.


Amen
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Old 03-31-2010, 06:03 AM   #15
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It's an entertaining style, but it's not as pleasing as watching more versatile boxers who can evade and counter, and can adapt to fights in order to tip the balance.

Wouldn't compare Tyson with Tua. They have similarities, but prime Tyson had better skills better movement - just all round better.
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